00:18.4
We have to talk about RISA
00:19.5
And also, to a certain degree, I wanna also get your take
00:22.3
Including ikaw, Ronald
00:24.3
On, you know, opposition leadership
00:26.6
In other countries, since na-confirm na natin ngayon
00:28.9
Si Alexin Navalny ay
00:30.2
Wala na, diba? At siya yung isa sa
00:32.3
Icons of opposition leadership
00:34.9
I mean, grabe yung mga hinaharap nila sa Russia
00:37.0
Pero palaban pa rin sila
00:38.1
So, it's all about palaban and leadership and all
00:40.4
But before that, gusto ko balikan yung isang
00:43.0
Mini-issue na hindi natin
00:45.1
Na-discuss masyada sa previous episode
00:46.5
Because it was really about Lenny, the previous episode
00:53.1
He still has some sort of
00:56.2
Chance to run for national office, right?
00:58.5
In 2025, meaning Senate
00:59.8
And the potential of him becoming Senate President
01:02.4
Is that something, Ronald, that you find
01:06.0
What? How do you see that aspect?
01:08.7
That prospect, sorry
01:09.6
Well, comparado sa
01:11.5
Slate, possible slate
01:14.6
Sa midterm, itong parating na midterm
01:22.4
Or top 4 si Digong
01:24.2
Dahil ito namang mga tatakbo
01:26.7
Hindi naman ganong ka-overwhelming
01:28.5
Yung kanilang popularity
01:30.7
Although marami sa kanila
01:33.3
Sigurado nang mananalo
01:34.5
Alimawa, you have 7 re-electionists
01:36.8
At least 5 of that
01:40.0
Halos siguradong mananalo
01:41.7
You have 8 former senators na babalik
01:49.5
Tapos meron kang Erwin Tulpo
01:51.3
Na lagi nagtatap ng list
01:53.8
So, hindi pa dyan kasama si Digong
01:58.2
Ang pinagtatalunan na lang
02:01.5
Baka yung number 12, number 11
02:03.9
So, ganyang katight yung labanan ngayon
02:06.6
Hindi pa kasama si Digong dyan
02:08.3
Ngayon, kung darating yung
02:10.7
Kung sakaling darating yung ICC
02:12.6
Before the midterms
02:15.1
Then, baka mabawasan ka
02:20.6
Baka mabawasan ka
02:28.2
Kung halimbawa darating yung ICC
02:29.8
Yung pagtakbo ni Digong
02:32.4
Ay wala na sa lamesa
02:35.7
So, medyo baka may dalawang posisyon
02:39.6
Na mabubuksan for the Senate
02:43.6
Halos sigurado na yan
02:44.7
Ibang usapin pa kung sinin yung mga tatakbo
02:47.1
Sa incumbent or sa administration
02:50.5
Kung nasa slate ka ng administration
02:52.7
Dagdag na 15-20% dyan eh
02:59.2
Kaya, merong mas may value added
03:02.4
Kung tatakbo ka sa administration
03:04.7
So, yan yung tingin ko magiging lay of the land
03:10.1
Pero kung aabot si Digong
03:18.6
Ngayon, kung i-implement yung ICC
03:21.3
Before the midterms
03:22.7
Baka lumuwag ng konti
03:24.1
Baka lumuwag ng konti
03:26.9
Lumuwag ng konti?
03:27.6
Kasi parang gulo nun siguro
03:31.1
Totally, maging ibang yung usapan
03:33.2
Yes, pero yung gulo na yun
03:35.1
Ang pwedeng mag-benefit nun si Sarah
03:37.4
Kung hindi siya kukunin
03:39.5
Paano? Sinasabi kasi ni Lascañas
03:44.6
So, kung hindi kukunin si Sarah
03:47.2
Pwedeng yung political cost
03:49.6
Nung pagkukuha kay Digong
03:52.8
Pwedeng siya yung mag-grip eh
03:55.0
Pwedeng siya yung mag-harness nun
03:57.3
Eh, hindi naman siya kandidato sa midterm eh
03:59.4
So, yung sinasabi mong gulo
04:01.5
Hindi necessarily magbe-benefit yung mga kandidato sa midterm
04:05.8
Dahil ang beneficiary niyan
04:07.5
Is potentially si Sarah
04:09.2
At hindi siya kandidato
04:12.5
So, medyo luluwag
04:14.2
Kung sakaling ma-implement yan
04:16.0
May indeterminacy
04:18.7
If I can use that term on that issue
04:21.1
Kaya medyo alanganin siya
04:23.0
How do you read this
04:24.2
From the vloggers and statements
04:26.5
I mean, whether it's bulldozing
04:27.3
Whether it's panat
04:28.7
Yung mga kaibigan mo dyan
04:30.7
Is there an indication that
04:32.5
They're preparing for a Digong run in 2025?
04:35.6
Aside from all of the secession
04:38.8
Do you see that as a prospect?
04:40.6
I heard Polong might run for Senate
04:45.5
But Digong himself would be different eh
04:47.4
Kasi ex-president siya
04:48.8
So, kung nasa Senado siya
04:50.0
Automatically may differential
04:52.0
Ano na yan eh, diba?
04:53.3
Dynamics na dyan eh
04:54.3
It would be different from
04:55.1
From a son or someone else winning
05:00.2
Sa mga DBS na ano
05:02.6
Parang, parang ano na nila eh
05:05.6
Parang alam na nila
05:06.7
Automatic na sa kanila na
05:07.9
If mag-decide si Digong na tumakbo
05:09.6
Alam nilang mananalo na eh
05:10.9
Pero they are preparing
05:12.5
Kung sakaling si Polong
05:14.1
Or kung si Bastel
05:15.6
After magsalita ni Bastel
05:19.3
Yung he asked BBM to resign
05:22.4
Biglang ano siya eh
05:25.3
Napush siya limelight eh
05:27.3
Na pwedeng senatoriable to ah
05:29.4
Kasi he doesn't have the same baggage as Polong
05:34.1
Yung mannerisms ni Digong
05:39.2
Kung maga, dagdag pa na
05:40.9
Yung sa looks niya
05:42.6
So may plus points pa yun
05:44.5
Mayor siya ng Davao
05:45.6
I mean, mayor siya ng isang malaking syudad
05:47.3
Third largest city
05:48.1
Same footsteps nung kanyang tatay
05:51.0
Kung merong, kung merong pinakamalapit kay Digong
05:55.5
Kahit sa pagsasalita eh
05:56.6
Talagang magkabosan
05:57.8
So, yun yung isang ano
05:59.0
Pero, I can only imagine
06:02.6
Kasi, sa totoo lang
06:04.0
Kay Sir Ronald Kunang narinig naman yung away-away
06:06.4
Na, dati hindi ako naniniwala eh
06:07.9
Na talagang tutuluyan tong mga Duterte eh
06:10.1
Kay Sir Ronald Kunang narinig
06:11.9
So, naniniwala na ako ngayon
06:14.7
Na baka posible talagang ma-arresto before
06:18.5
Pero, can you imagine if ma-arresto
06:21.5
Kung gano'ng kagalit yung magiging senatorial lineup na yun ni Digong
06:27.3
Diba, how they will
06:28.6
Talagang they'll be out for blood
06:35.5
Kung gano'ng sila
06:36.3
Gaging ka-agressive sa pagbanat
06:42.0
Kung baka magkaiba yung tone
06:43.1
Kung kunyari walang ICC
06:44.5
Tumakbo lang si Digong
06:47.2
Tapos, magugulo sila sa Senate
06:51.8
Meron siyang sasabihin
06:52.7
Tapos, magbabacktrack
06:54.7
Pero, imagine if dinampot talaga sila
06:57.3
Tapos, they would have to
07:00.5
A midterm senatorial slate
07:05.3
Bakit nyo inaresto siya, no?
07:07.2
Lahat sila, ganon
07:08.4
Ang PI ang mangyayari dyan, oo
07:11.5
Talagang, talagang
07:15.8
Na running for elections
07:18.5
They'll be out for blood
07:20.0
They'll be out for revenge
07:22.5
Kung maga, ano na eh
07:32.8
My sense there is that
07:35.0
It could work both ways eh
07:37.0
A very powerful rallying cry
07:39.7
I know what you're saying na
07:41.1
Naging ewan lang yung
07:42.6
Kanyang secession
07:45.6
If they see an old man, right?
07:49.6
Being dragged into a
07:51.5
Lalo na sa ating Pilipinas
07:52.9
How emotional people can get
07:55.2
Naawang tao sa kanya kagad
07:57.1
Nung nag-wheelchair siya and all
08:02.2
It will be totally a new ballgame
08:04.3
No one can really
08:05.3
Predict what exactly is gonna happen
08:07.8
It could go either way eh
08:10.0
Pinag-usapan ko nga natin kanina
08:12.9
Support and recognition for ICC
08:16.5
Yung survey na yan
08:18.3
Malinaw sa mga sinurvey
08:19.6
Nahuhuli yung si Digong
08:21.9
Hindi automatic na
08:25.0
Magshi-shift yung
08:31.7
Yung slate ni Digong
08:33.3
Mga pragmatic din yan eh
08:34.9
Alimbawa si Francis Tolentino
08:36.9
Tumidistansya na sa PDP laban eh
08:40.0
Mahalaga ang incumbent eh
08:42.4
Yan ang may hawak ng
08:44.6
Yan ang may hawak ng
08:45.9
Police tsaka military
08:47.4
Yan ang may hawak ng
08:51.4
So merong mga galing sa PDP
08:55.1
Nagsisimula ng lumaro
09:01.6
Pumosisyon na siya
09:07.7
Ng kanyang kapatid
09:09.9
Against dun sa mga
09:11.1
Threat sa kanyang kapatid
09:13.8
Medyo magkukuha niyan
09:15.3
Hindi yan automatically
09:21.6
Mataas yung kanyang slate
09:22.8
Dahil may ambition siya
09:26.8
Yung dalawang kayetano
09:29.4
Yung dalawa na yan
09:33.9
Will they go down
09:38.8
Ang magiging solid yan
09:44.8
Kasi apektado rin sila
09:47.1
Pero delikado sila
09:48.9
It can go both ways
09:51.9
Sabi ko nga kanina
09:52.8
Medyo tumataas yung survey
09:57.2
Malinaw sa survey na yan
09:58.5
Si Digo nga hulihin
10:00.4
Kaya kahit hulihin siya
10:03.3
Na yun ay value added
10:07.6
Ay napaka-powerful
10:10.0
Ang nakita ko lang
10:11.9
Na hindi powerful
10:18.1
Because of special circumstances
10:23.1
Talagang unpopular siya eh
10:28.3
Gumuguhu yung popularity
10:29.7
Mataas pa rin siya eh
10:30.9
Nasa 70 plus pa rin siya eh
10:33.8
Tapos hawak mo pa
10:36.0
Hawak mo yung resources
10:37.6
Hawak mo yung police
10:40.0
Na mahalaga sa Mindanao ah
10:44.5
Sa mga flashpoints
10:45.5
Mahalaga yung police
10:49.2
Boto ng kalaban mo
10:51.3
Nangyayari yan eh
10:52.7
Maraming plus factor
10:57.0
Tingin ko mga variables
10:58.6
Na magpe-play out
11:04.8
It will be disruptive
11:06.3
It's a good point
11:08.0
I see a third way
11:10.6
Is a sequence na yan
11:13.8
Issuing warrants of arrest
11:16.5
Is still not gonna
11:20.5
Anong maging effect ito
11:21.3
Sa public opinion
11:22.2
Anong maging effect ito
11:23.1
Sa international community
11:26.2
Ganun ang gagawin
11:27.7
The warrants of arrest
11:29.1
Pero he'll not implement it
11:30.9
Hitignan niya muna
11:35.1
Depending on that
11:36.0
Kung yung public opinion
11:38.2
Ay katulad nitong mga
11:40.2
Then he will go for it
11:43.7
Imasahe yung public opinion
11:45.9
You can bring out
11:46.7
All sorts of different
11:47.5
Like for instance
11:49.0
Yung mga biktima ng EJK
11:51.1
Biglang andun sila sa TV
11:52.7
Biglang andun sila
11:53.9
Sa tabi ni Presidente
11:54.9
You get what I'm saying?
11:57.9
Conscienticize people
11:59.6
More aggressively
12:02.7
All the resources
12:03.4
And the machinery
12:04.7
And the opposition
12:05.5
Will also support you
12:06.4
And the media also
12:08.7
Because lahat sila galit
12:10.8
At saka yung mga kababalakan
12:11.9
Na nangyari in the past
12:13.6
The warrant of arrest
12:15.0
But not necessarily
12:16.1
Implemented right away
12:18.8
Ma-absorb ng system
12:19.9
So kasi kung i-arrest na nila
12:22.7
Maging ibang drama na yan
12:24.3
Hell will break loose
12:26.5
I agree with that
12:27.8
Pwede mo i-dribble yan
12:30.5
Pero kung hindi nila
12:32.6
Before the midterms
12:33.6
Magbabago na yung
12:35.2
Ng political landscape
12:36.7
After the midterm
12:39.8
Elected senator na
12:41.7
Yung a-arrestohin mo
12:44.4
Sabagay si Batorin
12:45.4
It has its own risk
12:47.9
Dabit maging decisive
12:51.9
Press into the pedal
12:55.7
I know the other argument
12:56.8
Of Ronald would be
13:00.8
Otherwise things will
13:05.6
Are suggesting now
13:06.3
That actually Tulfo is
13:07.4
Is now the leading candidate
13:10.3
Pag taimik lang si Tulfo
13:11.9
Hindi siya magdamay
13:13.3
Time is on his side too
13:15.3
Not necessarily on
13:21.1
Frontliner pa rin yun
13:25.6
Medyo dikit pa rin silang dalawa
13:27.5
At walang malinaw na kandidato
13:31.3
Yung kanyang pinsan
13:33.0
So kaya sinasabi ko
13:34.6
Magbabago yung landscape
13:39.3
At hindi ganung kadali
13:40.8
O si Tulfo yung kandidato namin
13:43.5
Maghahabol pa rin yung pinsan eh
13:44.9
Na siya yung kandidato
13:47.9
Magbabago yung landscape
13:49.0
After the midterms
13:53.6
Kung maging senador
13:59.5
Medyo delikado yung
14:03.2
Medyo delikado sila
14:05.3
Medyo may alanganin pa rin
14:08.2
Makalusot pa si Kuya Will
14:11.0
Paano kung si Kuya Will
14:13.5
Di may isa pang senador si
14:16.2
Nako si Kuya Willie
14:17.3
Bigyan ng jacket yan
14:26.5
Magsisimula na rin
14:28.0
Kaya alanganin talaga yan
14:31.6
Iwalay na lang natin
14:35.9
A special episode for that
14:37.4
Napahaba ito ng konti
14:38.4
Pero I think it's very important
14:39.7
We have the special episode
14:40.7
Because we need to talk
14:42.3
Because hindi lang
14:44.4
Considered as potential
14:45.6
Contenders for 2028
