REAKSYON NI TRILLANES SA PAGTANGGI NINA RISA AT LEILA SA KANYANG PROPOSAL NA ALYANSA
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Hindi pa nare-resolve, no?
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Kaya nga nag-usap kami.
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Ultimately, ang layunin naman dito is yun na nga, no?
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Yung national interest.
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Asan ba rito yung interest ng bansa?
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Manalo itong sila Duterte makabalik sa pwesto?
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Ano ba? Gagawa ba ito na maayos pag nag-senador ito?
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Diba? That's one.
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Pangalawa, itong yung chance sa nung aming mga kandidato, diba?
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Kaya ba talaga natin na ipanalo or ano?
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Kung maga this is just a parang an advocacy run, ika nga, no?
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Eh, wala namang problema doon.
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Pero ito, being part of that alliance within the opposition,
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all of us would have...
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a right to voice out our opinions.
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So, flinote ko yan.
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At tinignan natin, nakita naman natin,
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dapat yung mga kandidato mismo,
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kung ayaw nila, sila yung magsasalita.
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Diba? Bakit nangunguna naman yung
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what is yung shootdown nung mga hindi kandidato.
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So, in the case of Senrisa, sabi niya, pag-uusapan natin.
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At yun nga ang ginawa namin.
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At yung feedback naman,
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very favorable yung feedback, no?
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Of course, merong mga outspoken,
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ang category purist, no?
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Na mas importante sa kanila,
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yung sensitivities nila,
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than the national interest.
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Or, baka sa kanila,
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they don't see a national security threat
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sa pagbabalik ng mga Dutertes.
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Kasi, sa akin naman,
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kung na-traumatize kayo
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sa panahon ng ni President Marcos Sr.,
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aba, eh, kami naman na-traumatize
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sa panahon ni Duterte.
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Kasi talagang sinalubong namin ito.
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Our eyes were wide open.
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or just parang part-time lang yung
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pag-i-engage sa politika.
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No, we were in the thick of,
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of things during that time.
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Nakita namin kung gano'ng kasama
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yung mga taong ito.
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Tapos, the threat is still there.
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Kaya, ako, I'm just proposing something
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to make sure that that threat
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eh, hindi nasusulput muli.
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hindi ko naman dinidisregard yung
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sensitivities nila, no?
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hindi naman ko mo ma-adapt,
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result kasi na gusto nating makuha ay
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Di ba? Ma-adapt sa slate.
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Hindi naman ibig sabihin nun na
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itong sina VP Lenny,
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at tayong lahat na mga
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yung mga purists eh,
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sasambahin na lang yung Marcos administration.
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Wala akong sinabing ganon.
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You can still criticize
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you won't be part of the
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Di ba? You can still vote
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for the candidates
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you want. Hindi kayo bound
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Marcos administration slate.
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Kumaga, you can do whatever you want.
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hinihila dito. Di ba?
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So, yun lang naman yung
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it's just unfortunate na
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yung mga outspoken
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down the idea and sabi ko,
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nga, I just made the proposal
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sa ngaayunan, okay lang
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kasi hindi ako party
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of interest dito. Di ba?
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Tulong lang ito sana
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sa mga kandidatura nila
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Sen. Kiko at saka nila Sen. Bang.
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Well, exactly, I'm proposing
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yung binanggit niyo po yung
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are you saying na sa pagbuo
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ng administration slate
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yung administration slate nila
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Marcos, isama mismo
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sila o i-adopt lang? Ibig sabihin
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they can run under
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a different slate pero adopted
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nung administration. What exactly
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are you talking about?
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Maraming, ano yan, maraming permutations
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yan. Ang bottom line dito
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whether guest candidate sila o ma-adopt
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sila o part sila ng ano,
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depende na yun dun sa mga
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subsequent discussions.
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hindi mabubuo yan. Kung talagang
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madampian ka lang ng Marcos
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ano, para ka nang may virus
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para ka nang magiging zombie.
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Hindi naman. Kasi ganito, kaya nga
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comparison. Bakit itong
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nung, let's say for example,
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VP Lenny yung pag-iisipan.
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Nagiging dragsar. Nung
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ano na, middle part na nung
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Duterte administration na alam na
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natin na masama, mamamatay tao,
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undemocratic. Bakit
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Bakit okay lang sa kanila yun?
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or isasama sa slate
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itong dalawa nating kandidato
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talagang ano, parang mortal sin.
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Ano? Parang apostasy.
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Kaya doon ko sinasabing
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meron kayong faulty
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logic or hypocrisy kasi
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tinanggap ni VP Lenny
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yung pagiging dragsar nung
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panahon ni Duterte. She was willing
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nung time na yun na grabe
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na nga eh. Grabe na yung sitwasyon nun eh.
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Nakita na natin yung mga ginagawa.
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yung problema ko doon.
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Kung magpapadala tayo dito sa
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faulty logic nito mga purists
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na ito, eh walang mangyayari.
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Talagang, we will be shut out
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Sa proposal nyo, sina former
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Sen. Kiko Pangilinan and ba Makino
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lang ba yung gusto nyong
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ma-adopt ng administration o meron
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Hindi. Sabi ko nga, magiging bunga na yan
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ng further negotiations.
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Diba? Pero kasi nga,
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yan, kung ano itsuraan,
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maka-adapt ba? Part ba talaga ng slate?
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Ano ba yung mga parameters?
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Hindi ka na makakausad kasi kung sinute down mo na
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Diba? O paano mo masasama?
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O baka pwede namin isama kahit si
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Sen. ay si Atty. Chedjok?
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Kung baga, wala na eh.
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Ayaw mo na eh. Nothing.
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Diba? You don't want any part
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of it. So, ngayon,
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pwede naman kasing, o sige,
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mag-okay sa amin maging
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guest candidate, in the same way
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na gines-candidate ni VP Lenny.
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Villanueva, ang dami eh.
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Diba? Pero yung mga
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they voted for them anyway.
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Bakit ganito? Diba?
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Pwede kasi mag-agree lang na
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okay tayo sa, for as long
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as yan, yung West Philippine
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C-Policies, diba?
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yung press freedom,
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pwedeng mga ganon, o pwedeng,
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basta yung anti-charter
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fair game yan. Pwede naman
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ganon yung parameters eh.
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Na pwede nyong i-discuss yun,
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ah, ah, ah, doon na
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Eh, kaso kung babarilin
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from the get-go eh,
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we will never know. So yun na ngayon.
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Pero ito bang, kunwari,
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si na Kiko Pangilinan and Bamaki, no?
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Kayo ba mismo nakausap nyo na sila?
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And, ah, anong nag-i-response sila dito
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sa proposal niya?
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Okay, I don't want to speak for them, no?
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Let's just say na,
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ah, hindi ko flinot yung
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idea na yun blindly
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without talking to people.
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kaya, kaya nga unfair eh.
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Unfair. Yung dapat,
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ang nakiramdam muna,
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tanungin nyo muna
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yung mga kandidato
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Kasi sila ultimately yung
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Yun lang naman yung masasabi ko doon.
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Telling yung sagot nyo, Senator, ah.
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sinasabi nyo dyan, ah.
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Hindi, kung ano man is yan,
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ultimately, diba?
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re-participating in the Senate race.
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I want to help them. Diba?
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At the same time, I recognize the threat.
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Alam ko rin naman yung, ah,
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ng winnable candidates yung
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administration slate. So,
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merong opening, may opportunities.
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ganun yun. I deliberately
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floated that as a trial balloon.
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And it was warmly
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received. Ironic, ano?
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Nung, nung Marcos,
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side, nung mga Marcos
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Pero dito, open din yung
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mga, mga moderate pinks,
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Pero yung mga purees, suddenly,
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Eh, yun yung mga na, yun yung mga
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na, na pipick up nyo. Kasi sila yung,
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ano, and meron din yung mga
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hindi naman pink,
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eh, pumupostura na
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pink. Kasi meron din silang
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Gusto rin nilang makipag, ah,
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with the, the pink
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candidates to form a
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different slate. Kasi kung sumama nga naman doon,
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eh, may iwanan na sila.
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Pero nakita namin yung, yung
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mga moderates, ano sila?
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Actually, may isa pang factor dyan, eh.
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Yung, yung DDS naman,
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that are also probably exploiting,
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uh, this, uh, this conversation
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na pinapalabas. O, yan, no,
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nagsanib-pwersa na, yung, di ba, yung mga
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pink lawan at saka BBM.
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Pero si, ano ba, si President
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Marcos ba, nakakausap nyo na tungkol dito?
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At ano ba yung opinion niya mismo dito?
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hindi natin nakausap dyan.
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Pero, uh, nakikita natin,
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galawan, yung mga, uh,
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pinufloat nila na names, eh,
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Um, kula nga, no?
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At ang interest din nila
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as hindi mga pasok
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yung mga Duterte Senators.
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ano kasi dito, sa,
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excuse me, sa Senate race,
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to shut out yung,
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uh, Duterte slate,
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kailangan meron kang 12
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winnable candidates.
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Kahit na anong baba
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senatorial candidates nung, ano,
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kahit bumaba itong sina Duterte,
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sina Bastel, sina Bongo,
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pero kung wala namang
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o-overtake sa kanila
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na ibang kandidato, whether from
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the admin, eh, mananalo pa rin
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yun. Kaya, yun yung
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ano ko doon, pinupunto ko doon sa
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But, sabi ko nga,
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um, I, I don't stand to
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benefit from that. Uh,
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I won't lose sleep kung hindi
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it's just unfortunate
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doon sa mga kandidato natin. Kasi,
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alam natin kung gano'ng
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kahirap yung pagdadaanan nila.
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nitong Duterte administration. Buus
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ang pera nitong Marcos administration.
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kaya baka ma-squeeze out
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sila dito sa picture na to.
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uh, Senator Sonny,
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political calculus nyo,
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parang maging kiss of death?
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Kunsa, kunwari, dito sa mga
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opposition candidates, yung pagsama
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dito sa Marcos Slate,
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given the fact na they might
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end up alienating a substantial
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Talagang tatalikuran sila.
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Titignan sila bilang mga traidor.
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O hindi pong walang tinitindigan
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ng magandang prinsipyo.
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Uh, that would be unfortunate, ano?
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At yung magkakansi lang
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naman dyan, yung mga purists or yung
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yung mga hindi naman talaga
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pink, no? Nananabutahi lang.
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Pero yung moderates nga,
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they will vote for them
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still, no? Yung mga grupo
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na, ano, pag nangampan yan,
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they will still vote for them.
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Nobody's going to force
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voto mo yung buong slate.
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Hindi yun. Ngayon, ito naman,
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ang, uh, kay Senator Riza,
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she will remain as, uh,
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independent opposition. Hindi naman siya,
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siya, kakandidato. And, in fact,
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pagka nanalo itong mga sinasenator
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Kiko, senator BAM, they can
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minority, no? Kasi,
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ganun yung parameters, na tipong
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dito tayo mag-agree sa mga, ano, neto,
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mga pulisiyan na to,
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pwede yun. Kasi, I believe
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the Marcos administration would
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prefer na ang maging members
15:53.9
ng minority would be sinasen
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the Dutertes. Diba?
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Remember, nung panahon ni President
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a member of the minority
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ano ako, nag-withdraw ako from the majority
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diba, um, ganun yung
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that alliance, uh,
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kay President Aquino.
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nuances dyan. Hindi makukompromiso
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si, ano, si Sen. Riza
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kasi she won't be part of
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Diba? Yun. Ngayon yung mga
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moderates, ano sila,
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I believe, hindi nila mawawala
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yung boto. Pero, makukuha
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nila ngayon yung boto
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ng Marcos base. Kasi meron
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ng points of agreement.
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Yun naman yung, kasi meron naman
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talaga. Yung mga ipinaglalaban
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namin nung panahon ni Duterte
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na yung West Philippine Sea Policy,
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uh, press freedom against
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ng persecution ng
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ng political opposition.
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Lahat yun, eh wala
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nang ngayon eh. So, kahit pa
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paano, meron kang starting point
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ng, ano, pero yung
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points of disagreement, ano ba yan? Yung
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cha-cha, yung people's initiative,
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diba? At kung ano man na
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anomalies ma-uncover later on.
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So, ganun lang po yun.
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Masagay, maraming maraming salamat po
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former Senator Sonny Trillanes
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for joining us tonight.
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Magandang gabi po, sir, and thank you for joining us.
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ang natinang suportahan,
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Bunyog Partylist,
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nagtataguyod ng katotohanan,
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lumalaban para sa bayan.
