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It's Wednesday, July 24 here in Manila.
04:06.5
I'm Karen Davila giving you the head start for the day.
04:09.7
Our guests for Hot Copy today,
04:11.9
we have Congressman Robert A. Barber
04:14.4
as House lawmakers continue their scrutiny of Pogos
04:18.8
after President Marcos Jr. ordered a total ban
04:24.1
And later on, political analyst Ronald Llamas,
04:27.7
he'll be joining us for our second Hot Copy.
04:29.2
But first, the headlines.
04:31.2
Today's big stories.
04:33.2
At least eight reported killed
04:35.2
as bad weather sweeps through the Philippines.
04:37.2
Classes and government work in Metro Manila
04:39.2
suspended due to the heavy rains.
04:41.2
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris
04:43.2
makes her campaign rally debut in Wisconsin.
04:45.2
A sailing Republican nominee,
04:49.2
And the death of President Donald Trump
04:51.2
in the U.S. Senate.
04:53.2
And the death of President Donald Trump
04:55.2
in the U.S. Senate.
04:57.2
And the death of President Donald Trump
04:58.5
in the U.S. Senate.
05:00.5
And the death toll in the landslide in Ethiopia
05:02.5
jumps to over 200.
05:04.5
We begin with weather updates
05:06.5
We begin with weather updates
05:08.5
as non-stop rains batter parts of the Philippines.
05:10.5
as non-stop rains batter parts of the Philippines.
05:12.5
Flooding reported in several parts of the Philippine capital of Manila
05:14.5
Flooding reported in several parts of the Philippine capital of Manila
05:16.5
causing traffic problems.
05:18.5
causing traffic problems.
05:20.5
ABS-CBN's Job Manahan
05:22.5
joins us for more.
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Karen, good morning.
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Karen, good morning.
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Several riders had to drag their motorcycles
05:30.5
in the middle of Taft Avenue
05:32.5
and seek shelter after their engines
05:34.5
abruptly stopped due to gutter-deep floods.
05:36.5
abruptly stopped due to gutter-deep floods.
05:38.5
Some small cars also had to stop
05:40.5
fearing that their engines might break down
05:42.5
due to the flooding.
05:44.5
Among those stranded and needed help
05:46.5
was Philip Repeda, a motorcycle rider.
05:48.5
He said that he didn't expect
05:50.5
his motorcycle engine to break down
05:52.5
at crossing the flooded Taft Avenue.
05:54.5
at crossing the flooded Taft Avenue.
05:56.5
One passenger, Marie-Cris, said
05:58.5
she had to rent a tricycle for P260
06:00.5
to ensure her welfare and safety
06:02.5
on the way to a bus terminal
06:06.5
Marie-Cris said she was trying to catch
06:08.5
her 5 a.m. trip to Pangasinan
06:10.5
but said she might be already late
06:12.5
due to the delays caused by the heavy rain.
06:14.5
due to the delays caused by the heavy rain.
06:16.5
Current gutter-deep floods also hit
06:18.5
the front of the Manila City Hall,
06:20.5
Espana Boulevard, Doton,
06:22.5
the Office of Civil Defense said that
06:24.5
as of 4 a.m., red rainfall warning
06:26.5
is up in the areas of Metro Manila,
06:28.5
Cavite, and Bataan.
06:30.5
This means, Karin, that residents must
06:32.5
expect and be prepared for possible
06:34.5
flooding, heavy rains, and landslides.
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Alright, Joba, I wanted to ask you
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what is the hardest hit
06:48.5
Karin, there are several reporters
06:50.5
expected to cover
06:52.5
Quezon City, parts
06:56.5
but so far in my area
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here in Manila, the hardest
07:02.5
in Taft Avenue because I saw
07:04.5
how people had to drag their motorcycles
07:10.5
some of their engines broke down
07:12.5
while trying to cross
07:14.5
the flood, Karin.
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Okay. Alright, well thank you very much,
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On Hot Copy this morning,
07:24.5
two Philippine legislators called for
07:26.5
a law that would institutionalize
07:30.5
ban on offshore gaming
07:32.5
operators. The country's
07:34.5
gaming regulator, PagPoor,
07:36.5
has started to implement the
07:38.5
president's order to close
07:40.5
all Pogos by the end of the
07:42.5
year. Victoria Tulad reports.
07:54.5
the end of the line for
07:56.5
Philippine offshore gaming operators
07:58.5
after President Marcos ordered
08:00.5
their closure. And attention
08:02.5
now shifts to the Philippine Amusement
08:04.5
and Gaming Corporation, or PagPoor,
08:06.5
on how to wind up Pogo
08:08.5
operations by the end of the year.
08:10.5
PagPoor vows to comply with the directive
08:12.5
which would mean losing a huge
08:14.5
chunk of government revenues,
08:16.5
not to mention the workers who will be
08:18.5
displaced in the sector.
08:22.5
has been passed by the PagPoor
08:26.5
After that, there is a BIR
08:28.5
that should be collected
08:30.5
two and a half times by PagPoor.
08:32.5
As the president's order,
08:34.5
we will do our best to fulfill
08:36.5
its timeline at the end of the year.
08:38.5
According to PagPoor,
08:40.5
around 40,000 Filipino workers
08:42.5
will be affected. But even
08:44.5
before the president's order,
08:46.5
concerned government agencies like
08:48.5
the Department of Labor and Employment
08:50.5
and Department of Social Welfare and Development
08:52.5
have begun studying ways
08:54.5
to cushion the impact of closing
08:58.5
They hope that we will
09:00.5
have a connection with them.
09:02.5
There are interventions such as
09:04.5
providing assistance
09:06.5
on a temporary employment program.
09:08.5
There is also a livelihood.
09:10.5
There is also training, upskilling.
09:12.5
For the Philippines' chief economist,
09:14.5
eliminating Pogos will have a
09:16.5
negligible impact to the overall
09:18.5
economy. Neda Sekretary Arsenio
09:20.5
Balisakan argued, this sector
09:22.5
had little contribution to the country's
09:26.5
More important than just the economic
09:30.5
I think the social
09:32.5
cost and reputational
09:34.5
cost to the country
09:36.5
of hosting this kind of
09:38.5
businesses is not good at all.
09:40.5
I think that I would like to see,
09:42.5
the president would like to see
09:44.5
legitimate businesses,
09:46.5
businesses that give good
09:48.5
reputation to our country as investors.
09:50.5
A investment destination,
09:52.5
a tourist destination,
09:54.5
not ones that encourage criminality.
09:56.5
But how about the so-called
09:58.5
IGLs or Internet Gaming Licensees?
10:00.5
Pagor says they are
10:02.5
covered by the ban.
10:04.5
Assistant Vice President Catalino Alano Jr.
10:06.5
explains, IGLs are
10:08.5
different from e-games or electronic
10:10.5
gaming, which includes PIGO
10:12.5
or Philippine Inland Gaming Operators,
10:14.5
sports betting, online casino,
10:16.5
e-bingo and specialty games.
10:18.5
IGLs are offshore games
10:20.5
which means bets are made outside
10:22.5
the country while e-games are
10:24.5
domestic games. Another concern
10:26.5
raised by stakeholders including the
10:28.5
Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission
10:30.5
is the possibility of POGOs
10:32.5
or another iteration getting a
10:34.5
new lease on life once the Marcos
10:36.5
administration ends. Senator
10:38.5
Sherwin Gatchalian, who has been one of the
10:40.5
most vocal POGO critic,
10:42.5
sees the need for a law. House Speaker
10:44.5
Martin Romualdez agrees.
10:46.5
Let's not play around with
10:48.5
terminologies. They can rebrand
10:50.5
it, they can come up with different names,
10:52.5
but it's actually defined under law. The committee
10:54.5
is contemplating to pass a law
10:56.5
so that any form, any
10:58.5
iteration of these
11:00.5
POGOs will not be allowed
11:02.5
under this administration
11:04.5
and also with the succeeding
11:06.5
administration. But
11:08.5
for Senate President Francis Escudero,
11:10.5
it's as simple as revoking the licenses
11:14.5
or according to Escudero, just
11:16.5
ban all forms of gambling.
11:18.5
I don't want legal licenses
11:20.5
issued by POGO. It's not AO
11:22.5
that legalized POGO. It's not the law
11:24.5
that legalized POGO. It's the license
11:26.5
issued by PAGCOR that
11:30.5
banning it, just revoking the
11:32.5
license issued by PAGCOR
11:34.5
is what is needed. For the good people
11:38.5
they will always invent Pago,
11:42.5
At the end, if we want to
11:44.5
ban gambling and gambling in the country,
11:46.5
then let's ban it all.
11:48.5
And I will always support that.
11:50.5
Ban POGO, ban Pigo, ban Casino,
11:52.5
and then let's do it all at the same time
11:54.5
if we really think it's a good thing
11:56.5
for our society and for our country.
11:58.5
The Office of the Solicitor General
12:00.5
however disagrees, saying
12:02.5
an executive order is needed.
12:04.5
That was a policy statement
12:06.5
and I suppose that
12:08.5
the appropriate administrative
12:10.5
issuance will be made
12:12.5
by the Office of the President
12:16.5
implement this policy statement
12:18.5
made by the President yesterday.
12:22.5
both the Senate and the Lower House say
12:24.5
they will continue their investigation on POGOs
12:26.5
to identify the people behind them.
12:28.5
PAGCOR now says it is banking
12:30.5
on land-based casinos and
12:32.5
earnings from special BPO's to
12:34.5
cover any lost revenues.
12:36.5
Victoria Tulad, ABS-CBN News.
12:46.5
Representative Robert Ace Barbers,
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Representative Barbers, good morning to you.
12:50.5
Good morning Karen,
12:52.5
good morning to our fellow countrymen,
12:54.5
and thank you for having me.
12:56.5
Alright, so let's clarify certain issues
12:58.5
that were discussed.
13:00.5
Is a law needed to
13:02.5
implement the President's order
13:06.5
in the Philippines?
13:08.5
Do we still need a law?
13:10.5
Well, in my opinion,
13:12.5
I don't think the law is needed
13:14.5
to be passed in order to
13:16.5
ban these POGOs. However,
13:18.5
for it to be institutionalized
13:20.5
and no other forms
13:22.5
of online gambling operations
13:24.5
will exist in the country,
13:26.5
I guess there's a necessity
13:28.5
for a law. But just
13:30.5
banning these existing POGOs
13:32.5
that we have in the country today,
13:34.5
or IGS as they call it,
13:38.5
suspension by PAGCOR,
13:40.5
because PAGCOR was the one who issued the license,
13:42.5
and perhaps an executive order
13:44.5
that the President will
13:52.5
the licenses issued by PAGCOR.
13:54.5
That's my opinion.
13:58.5
PAGCOR revoking licenses
14:00.5
and an executive order. But
14:02.5
if we go back during the time
14:04.5
of former President Duterte,
14:06.5
how was POGO legalized
14:08.5
in the country? Senate President
14:10.5
Francis Escudero said
14:12.5
it was just PAGCOR issuing licenses.
14:14.5
Didn't the President
14:18.5
allow POGOs to come in?
14:20.5
I think there was an executive
14:22.5
order issued by the former President.
14:24.5
I think, if I'm not mistaken, it was
14:26.5
EO 13, no? It was
14:28.5
amending the EO number 8
14:30.5
issued by the former
14:32.5
President Joseph Estrada.
14:44.5
these online gaming
14:46.5
operations to exist.
14:50.5
actually gave the
14:56.5
to be able to issue
14:58.5
all these licenses to these
15:00.5
POGOs. So I guess
15:02.5
if we really want to
15:04.5
ban them, all we have to
15:06.5
do is maybe repeal the EO
15:08.5
or issue another EO.
15:12.5
Suspending and banning
15:14.5
all these operations to
15:16.5
exist in this country.
15:26.5
POGO could be rebranded
15:30.5
PAGCOR has been saying
15:34.5
the Internet Gaming
15:36.5
License. What to you
15:38.5
is the difference between
15:40.5
POGO and an Internet
15:44.5
What's the difference?
15:46.5
Well, to me, it's just the same
15:48.5
dog with a new collar. They called
15:50.5
it by another name, the one they
15:52.5
called IGL. That's why yesterday
15:54.5
in our hearing in Congress, I clarified
15:56.5
with Chairman Altenco,
15:58.5
is there a difference between
16:02.5
And he said there's no difference, meaning
16:04.5
the order that there should
16:06.5
be a ban on POGOs
16:10.5
take effect, whether you're an
16:12.5
IGL or you're a POGO. So in that
16:14.5
particular issuance
16:18.5
it will cover both.
16:20.5
Just for clarity,
16:22.5
we wanted to make sure that when the order
16:24.5
was issued, it does not
16:28.5
authority over POGOs, but
16:30.5
also IGLs. Because
16:36.5
registered and licensed
16:38.5
online gaming operators
16:40.5
which now they call
16:46.5
needs clarification,
16:54.5
or so-called POGOs
16:58.5
ceases operations
17:06.5
an economic zone?
17:08.5
Because economic zones,
17:10.5
they have their own
17:12.5
charter that allows
17:16.5
In fact, the Cagayan Economic
17:20.5
I'm not so sure about
17:22.5
APECO and Aurora, but it is still
17:24.5
an economic zone.
17:26.5
This could be another
17:28.5
area that we should look into.
17:30.5
I guess Pagor has a
17:32.5
better answer for that.
17:34.5
But then when it comes to POGOs,
17:36.5
I think we can differentiate it.
17:38.5
I wanted to ask you, with POGOs,
17:40.5
the characteristic
17:42.5
of POGO number one is
17:44.5
the player is not from the
17:46.5
Philippines, right?
17:48.5
The betor is from mainland China.
17:52.5
to import actually workers
17:54.5
coming from mainland China
17:58.5
needed to facilitate the
18:00.5
gaming, is that correct, is
18:02.5
in Mandarin. And with
18:04.5
POGOs, there's a need to actually
18:08.5
for POGOs. Whereas
18:10.5
what is the internet
18:12.5
gaming license exactly?
18:16.5
Yes, that's a good question, Karen.
18:20.5
in 2017, I already
18:22.5
delivered a privileged speech against
18:24.5
the POGOs. In fact, I was the one
18:26.5
who was saying that let's not allow
18:28.5
this POGO industry to come
18:30.5
to this country and
18:32.5
proliferate here because there are
18:34.5
social costs that might occur.
18:38.5
this is just a mere outlet
18:40.5
for money laundering by
18:42.5
criminal syndicates abroad.
18:44.5
Number three, Karen, how could
18:52.5
for instance, if they
18:54.5
have a POGO hub here and then
18:56.5
the bettors will come from mainland China,
18:58.5
how could that happen?
19:00.5
The Chinese government will not
19:06.5
to any POGO or gambling
19:08.5
hubs outside of China.
19:10.5
How could that happen?
19:12.5
I heard someone saying that if there's
19:14.5
a Great Wall of China,
19:16.5
there's a Great Firewall of China.
19:18.5
Meaning, you cannot access
19:20.5
any online. They can even
19:24.5
in China. What more
19:26.5
banning the online gaming,
19:28.5
access to online gaming?
19:32.5
in China to gamble.
19:34.5
I really don't believe
19:42.5
Chinaman or Chinamen can
19:44.5
bet on this online gaming
19:50.5
worldwide. Again, I do not
19:52.5
also believe 100%
19:54.5
that there are bettors.
19:56.5
This is just mere money laundering
20:02.5
if it's mere money laundering
20:04.5
activities, why would
20:08.5
actually spend billions
20:10.5
of pesos to build
20:12.5
big infrastructure?
20:14.5
Island Cove is 13
20:16.5
hectares. There are so many
20:18.5
buildings there. Porac was
20:20.5
10 hectares. There are 46
20:22.5
buildings there. Bambantarlak
20:26.5
If it's simple money laundering,
20:28.5
why do you have to spend
20:30.5
that much resources
20:32.5
to actually put it up?
20:34.5
Well, this is probably their playground,
20:38.5
the criminal syndicate, let's just
20:40.5
take, for instance, the
20:42.5
drug syndicate in
20:46.5
According to the United Nations
20:48.5
Office of Drugs, Anti-Illegal
20:50.5
Drugs Office, they said
20:52.5
that between 80 to 90
20:54.5
billion dollars every year
20:58.5
drugs industry. So,
21:00.5
spending 3 billion pesos,
21:02.5
5 billion pesos is just
21:06.5
buckets, so to speak.
21:10.5
just need an outlet so that they can
21:16.5
the lifestyles of the rich and
21:18.5
famous. They cannot do that in China.
21:20.5
They will be, perhaps,
21:22.5
castigated or even
21:26.5
charged before their courts.
21:30.5
that's the best and easiest way
21:32.5
for them, is to set up all
21:34.5
these hubs so that they can
21:36.5
do whatever they want to do.
21:40.5
2023, I'm quoting
21:42.5
from an article of
21:44.5
Inside Asian Gaming.
21:46.5
Pag-Court Chairman Altenco
21:48.5
said, there will be 55
21:52.5
issued, and there will no longer
21:54.5
be service provider
21:56.5
licenses. It will just
21:58.5
be an IGL license,
22:02.5
gaming license. So, based
22:04.5
on the hearing, sino naman
22:08.5
sa internet gaming license
22:10.5
and what games are these?
22:12.5
Kasi, for example,
22:14.5
isabong. At one point,
22:20.5
you were playing via internet, right?
22:22.5
There was really a cockfight,
22:24.5
but you would bet online.
22:26.5
Pero, binan na ang
22:28.5
isabong, right? Pero ngayon, may
22:30.5
sabong pa din. Hindi na ba
22:32.5
nangangahulugan na nawala ang sabong?
22:34.5
Meron pa din, ang tinanggalang
22:38.5
and the accessibility
22:42.5
sino ang naglalaro
22:46.5
Ano daw ito, sir?
22:48.5
Well, apparently, the players daw,
22:50.5
or the bettors daw,
22:52.5
come from Southeast Asia
22:54.5
and mostly from mainland China
22:56.5
naman. Kaya nga ang question ko,
22:58.5
this is really true
23:00.5
na meron talagang bettors
23:02.5
na ganyan karami dyan sa China
23:04.5
because as I understand,
23:06.5
gambling in China
23:08.5
is bad and illegal.
23:10.5
And you will be charged for gambling
23:12.5
if you do that. So, what
23:14.5
harsh penalties does the Chinese
23:16.5
government have over people
23:18.5
caught gambling? I really don't know
23:20.5
but I heard that it's really
23:24.5
nakakatakot yun. So, there will be no
23:26.5
Chinese who will bet
23:28.5
within the confines
23:30.5
of their territory. And that's
23:32.5
perhaps the reason why they open up
23:34.5
Macau. So, Chinese
23:36.5
officials, Chinese
23:38.5
businessmen, Chinese gamblers
23:40.5
go to Macau just to gamble.
23:42.5
And don't open sila.
23:44.5
But did Chairman Altenco
23:46.5
admit in the hearing
23:48.5
that they just changed the name?
23:56.5
niya, and I'm quoting,
24:00.5
ang ginawa po namin
24:02.5
para maalis yung stigma
24:06.5
criminal activities,
24:08.5
pinalitan po namin ang
24:10.5
pangalan. Ang tawag
24:14.5
ay internet gaming
24:16.5
license. He's claiming it's
24:18.5
to remove the pogo. He
24:20.5
says that while legal
24:22.5
IGLs and pogos are the
24:28.5
different. Is it really
24:30.5
different? I think
24:32.5
that was a clever move by Pag4
24:36.5
come up with a distinction
24:38.5
between the illegal and the legal.
24:40.5
Yung those that have
24:44.5
and contracts and
24:46.5
permits from Pag4 and LGUs,
24:48.5
those that are operating legally
24:50.5
will now be called IGLs.
24:52.5
So anyone who does not possess
24:54.5
an IGL license is considered
24:56.5
ilegal. So that was the
24:58.5
clear distinction and that was a good move
25:02.5
In fact, that was a brilliant
25:06.5
clearly distinguish
25:08.5
yung legal sa ilegal.
25:12.5
clever din itong mga
25:18.5
most of them are actually saying
25:20.5
that they are Filipinos because they
25:22.5
were able to secure
25:24.5
Philippine IDs. And
25:26.5
some of them even secured passports.
25:28.5
You see, that's how clever they are.
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Kaya pinakamagandang nangyari
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is that there was a clear distinction
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PAOC or the national government
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operates against illegal pogos,
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a demarcation line.
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But then let's remind the public that
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when the PAOC raided
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Bambantarlac, that's a
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legal pogo. They have a license.
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And Porat, to be fair,
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only lost their license
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been operating as a legal
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pogo. Because why would
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structures if you don't have a license?
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You really start off
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legal. Then you do
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something illegal, right?
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That's correct, yeah.
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What happened in Bambantarlac
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I think is that when
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they operated first, they were legal.
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42 buildings inside their compound,
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building with three floors
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on it, or two floors
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as I understood it,
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are legally operating as
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legal pogos. But the rest
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of the structure in the
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compound, the 42 buildings there,
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a witness who actually escaped
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from the area, we had the
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the area and discovered
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that there were indeed a lot of
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instruments that was used for
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scamming. Alright, okay.
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In July 16, 2024,
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President declared a ban
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internet gaming licenses
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were granted, no? By
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PAGCOR. And seven were
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given provisional licenses.
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So your colleague,
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Congressman Joey Salceda
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says this is an executive
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discretion. The key
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there is pogo is just a part,
27:32.5
this is a direct quote,
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small part of a bigger
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percent of PAGCOR.
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So Salceda hopes that
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IGLs won't be affected
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because he says they're legitimate,
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technical way of differentiating, same,
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same, same. Right?
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So now, the President's
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order, the spirit of
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banning pogos is diluted
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saying, we'll ban
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pogo but not the IGL.
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Eh ano ba talaga, Congress?
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Yung sa Island Cove
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pogo ba yun? O IGL ba yun?
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really don't know what license
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was issued to Island Cove, no?
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from what I heard,
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the Island Cove operations was a
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It is legal pogo today.
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I respect the opinion of
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Congressman Joey Salceda
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because he's working on the numbers
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and apparently, he
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there's a bigger chunk of
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the government revenues that are coming from
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this industry. But again, no less
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than the Department of Finance Secretary
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Ralph Recto said.
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The economic costs
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outweighs the economic
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walang balance doon. Mayroong
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disparity. So, why would
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accepting this kind of industry
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that does not even
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give us a larger economic benefit?
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yes, ang pinupunto lang dito
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is that if we focus on
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numbers and revenues, then it
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industry, so to speak. Uy, maganda
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ito. Maraming pera rito. Diba?
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Maraming nakakatrabaho.
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But if you look at the back side
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of it, so to speak, or the other side
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of the coin, you'll see that
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hindi pala beneficial ito.
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Again, there's more
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social cost. Unquantifiable
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nga yung social cost. Look at
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all these crimes that are happening. If you
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equate that and you quantify that,
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probably, it will reach
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billions also of pesos.
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I was told that in one
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in Bambantanac, they spent
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around 20-30 million
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pesos just for a two-day
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raid. So, can you just
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imagine if you keep on raiding
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100-400 illegal Pogos here,
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multiply that by 30 million
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pesos, roughly, how much
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are we going to spend just to police
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the illegal Pogos? It's too
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I know we don't have enough time, but for
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example, with Pogos, something
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as simple as this, you'd need
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to import foreigners to actually
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facilitate the game.
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Is it the same with an internet
30:34.5
gaming license? I mean, based
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on your hearings, are they
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The same? The same.
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So, again, Pancor said
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that Pogos are now
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Because they are legal, they secured
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all the necessary permits and licenses.
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So, technically, it's just a change
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of name? It's the same, though,
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with a new color, so to speak.
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Alright. Well, on that note, will you
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still be having hearings? Yes,
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Karen. In fact, yesterday,
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we just had our second hearing.
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On the Committee on Public
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Order. Because we want
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also to determine, we cannot just
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stop by just the issuance
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of an order by the President to
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stop Pogo investigation.
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Because there are crimes.
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There are crimes that are committed. And
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apparently, there are people
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backing this industry
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possibly some politicians even.
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I mean, that's the truth, right?
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That was what I was going to
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say. There were Pogo politicians
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our best to make these people
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in government accountable.
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And that was the direct order by the
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Speaker. The Speaker is pretty much
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concerned about this, Karen.
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In fact, he told us that you
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continue with your investigation,
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unmask those behind this
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make sure that we will
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prosecute and file charges against them.
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And that was the direct
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marching order of the Speaker.
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Alright. If I were to ask you one last
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question, you said you believe the President
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has to issue an executive order.
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And it makes sense because
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actually, former President Duterte
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did issue an executive order.
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that the President has to say
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specifically a ban
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Well, if that is the
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way to make it really
32:44.5
delete the ambiguity,
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maybe it should be
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issued by IGL-Pogos.
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of the President is very clear.
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His marching order is ban all Pogos.
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Now, whether it's called Pogo,
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IGL, whatever it is,
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It was a national policy. It was
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a pronouncement done on
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a national occasion, Karen.
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so unfair to diminish the
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power of the President's
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so many felt emotional.
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I felt emotional hearing
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the President make that stand in the
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sauna. And then now, only
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to hear politicians
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make the difference between Pogo
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and IGL. And you realize,
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okay, so it's not that
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dramatic after all.
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the voices of the
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opponents in this program
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are very strong. And we have a
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listening President. And our
33:48.5
President listened. He listened
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to the pulse of the people,
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the pulse of the people,
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of his fellowmen. He saw
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that the call was so big
33:58.5
that it would stop. And because
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of that, the President made
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a very difficult call,
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very difficult decision.
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It is a balancing of the
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economic, and the political,
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So that's a very difficult situation
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to be in, Karen. Imagine
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social, economic, political,
34:18.5
then you have to make a stand.
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So I really admire
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the candor and the brilliance
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of the President in making this announcement.
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On that note, thank you so much
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for joining me today as always.
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And we hope to have you again,
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Congressman Robert Ace Barbers.
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Thank you very much, Karen, for having me again.
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Have a good morning.
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We're going to take a quick break.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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The greatest disruptor
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of all time is actually COVID-19.
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Because of limited mobility,
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people are also not being able to go
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to physical franches, etc.
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further accelerated the adoption of consumers of digital channels.
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We are now being able to provide the services needed by our citizens, for our consumers.
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We are now being able to provide the services needed by our citizens, for our consumers.
38:52.1
Karen, continuous heavy rains batter parts of Quezon City Wednesday morning due to Typhoon Karina.
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The inclement weather caused flooding in major parts of the city.
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Knee-deep to waist-deep floods are reported along Araneta Avenue, Mother Ignacia Avenue, and Timog Avenue in Barangay South Triangle.
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Karen, some motorists tried to pass through the said areas, but their cars eventually broke down because of the heavy flooding.
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There are others who braved the gutter-deep floods along major towns.
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Tourifers such as Maria Clara, areas in Barangay Santo Domingo, Enes Amoranto, and some areas in Quezon Avenue.
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Light vehicles can still pass through gutter-deep floods along Timog Avenue and Scout Borromeo.
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Quezon City is still on red rainfall warning as of this hour.
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And Karen, according to the City Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council,
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around 10 families residing in low-lying areas in Barangay Bagong Silangan, Quezon City,
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were already evacuated last night and are currently staying.
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In one of the evacuation centers in the village, awaiting further announcement and clearance from the local government unit.
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As of now, the said government unit also announced the suspension of classes in all levels today.
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Well, another thing, Liza, I wanted to ask you, are there roads that are unpassable at this point?
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As of now, light vehicles can still pass through some areas of Quezon Avenue.
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In particular, my team and I went around Quezon Avenue corner, Araneta Avenue.
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And around 8 in the morning, you can still pass through areas going to Santa Mesa, Manila.
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Or if you want to use the Skyway right now, Karen, you can still use it as of this hour.
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But if you are going to the direction towards Kaloocan, C3, Rizal Avenue,
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that's the part where heavy floods are currently experienced in the area.
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And some cars are actually parked on the corner of Araneta Avenue.
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In Quezon Avenue, as of this moment, Karen.
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Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much, Liza.
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Meanwhile, more than 200 residents were evacuated in Barangay Rojas in Quezon City due to the flooding.
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Let's get an update from Jesse Cruzat. Jesse?
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Yes, Karen. Many parts of Metro Manila are already flooded due to the persistent heavy rainfall brought about by this southwest monsoon enhanced by Typhoon Karina.
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Yes, Karen. Many parts of Metro Manila are already flooded due to the persistent heavy rainfall brought about by this southwest monsoon enhanced by Typhoon Karina.
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Early Wednesday morning, Metro Manila, Rizal, and Bataan are already under red rainfall warning,
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which means serious flooding in the said areas are expected, Pag-asa said.
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Most parts of Barangay Rojas in Quezon City were already flooded with a level of 5 feet and above as heavy rainfall persists until this very moment.
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According to Barangay Chairman Merida Yandregalado, more than 200 individuals were already evacuated in their barangay gymnasium.
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Modular tents, free food, and medicines are also provided for the evacuees.
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However, Karen, more residents are waiting to be rescued in their houses until this very moment.
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According to Yandregalado, the barangay chairman is appealing for an assistance from the LGU or even from the national government agencies to provide them additional rescue boats that they can be used in rescuing their residents.
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Meanwhile, the Malacanang Palace, through the recommendation of National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council, already issued suspension of government work and classes at all levels in the National Capital Region today, July 24.
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The suspension of work for private companies and offices is left to the discretion of their respective heads, and the RRMC said.
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Airline passengers at Minoy Aquino International Airport also experienced the inclement weather.
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However, Karen, there were no flights delayed or canceled as of this moment.
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Latest data from the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council, meanwhile, showed that number of confirmed deaths due to the combined effects of the southwest monsoon, tropical depression, Bucoy, and typhoon Corina,
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has climbed to 8.5 million.
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In a situation report, the NDRRMC said two others were injured while another person is missing.
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That's latest from my end. Back to you, Karen.
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All right. Thank you very much.
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Now, moving on to our second hot copy.
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With the battle lines drawn, how is the 2025 midterm poll shaping up?
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We're in for another lively discussion this morning.
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We're joined by a head start regular at this point, political analyst Ronald Llamas.
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Good morning to you, sir.
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Magandang umaga, Karen.
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Isang malamig at maulan na umaga.
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Ang hirap bumangon sa kama.
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But before we go to the polls, I want to ask you first, you've witnessed several State of the Nation addresses from presidents,
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even coming from the time when the late President Aquino actually started, right?
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I mean, from that particular time after morning.
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How would you describe President Marcos Jr.'s State of the Nation address, this latest one?
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Well, iba-iba kasi yung objective ni President Bongbong sa kanyang nakaraang tatlong zona.
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Yung una is basically to address the international community.
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Dahil ito yung pagbabalik ng mga Marcoses.
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So, yung unang zona is about rebranding the Marcos name.
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Kaya yung kanyang audience is the international community.
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Yung ikalawa ay sinubukan na niyang ipakita yung kanyang style of leadership.
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In-emphasize na niya, ano yung gagawin niya sa bansa?
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Bagaman kulang pa ito, unlike yung mga ibang presidente na meron ng brand.
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Halimbawa, si FBR, yung Philippines 2000, at saka Tiger Economy, si Erap Estrada, walang kamag-anak, walang kaibigan, era para sa mahirap.
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Si Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, yung kanyang...
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Yung tatlong bangkang papel para makaalis, makaahon sa kahirapan.
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At saka si Mang Pandoy, problema kay Mang Pandoy, namatay na na mahirap.
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Tapos si Pinoy naman, yung kung walang korap, walang mahirap.
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At saka yung kanyang anti-wangwang, anti-impunity.
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At si Digong naman, yung papatayin ko kayong lahat, na mga kriminal.
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Si BBM, medyo kulang pa ng gano'n.
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Pero at least nung second sona niya, ay in-assert na niya yung kanyang stilo.
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Dito sa ikatlo na sona niya, medyo mahalaga ito eh.
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Dahil ito yung last sona bago yung midterm.
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Kaya sa midterm, is a plebiscite on the president.
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So kinakailangan niya magpakita ng something compelling.
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Yun yung hahamon dito.
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At medyo nagpakita naman siya through the Pogo, at saka yung West Philippine Sea.
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Ito rin yung unang sona, nawala na yung kanyang unitim.
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At langit lang nawala.
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Lantara na yung bakbakan.
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Hindi lang dahil hindi dumalo si Digong, si Vice President Sara,
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Senator Bongo at Bato.
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Hindi lang dahil doon.
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Kundi meron din silang rally two days before or one day before yung Maysug.
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Na talagang sinisigaw na pabagsaki ng presidente.
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At hindi lang yun, nilabas na nila yung urban legend na last year pa natin hinihintay.
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At sinasabi nila ilalabas yung pulburon video.
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Na medyo parang...
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So ito yung first na...
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The video obviously looked fake.
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Kung hindi yan sinagot ng dalawang mahalagang cabinet secretary,
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si DND Secretary Guibo Chodoro at saka si DILG Secretary Abalos,
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baka hindi yan masyadong napansin.
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Pero dahil medyo pinatulan ng kaunti, medyo nagkaroon ng konting traction.
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Ang mahalaga ay, ito talaga ay yung sinasabi natin before na open warfare na.
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Open warfare na going into the midterm.
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Going into the midterm.
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Talagang bakbaka na ito.
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Pero ayun na, meron din namang mga defining at saka compelling messages itong sonang ito.
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Yung simula pa lang eh.
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Yung self-criticism ni President Bongbong Marcos na inamin niya
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na kahit tayo ang fastest growth rate,
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hindi ito nararamdaman ng mga tao.
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Lalo na, after nung SWS survey,
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na tumaas yung self-rated poverty by 12%.
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The highest almost in two decades.
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So, maganda yung opening eh.
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Yung self, yung contradiction between the numbers of the government and the reality na nararamdaman ng tao.
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So, it wasn't all roses, so to speak.
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Yes, yes. May ganun pag-amin.
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Bakaman, pumunta pa rin siya.
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Ito yung mga usual na ginagawa naman talaga ng gobyerno.
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Yun yung meat, yun yung substance nung kanyang...
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Mas maganda sana kung halimbawa ay nagbanggit siya ng mga human element.
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Halimbawa, pinanggit niya si Jeffrey Facundo, yung naputunan ng daliri.
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Para may humanize yung ating struggle sa West Philippine Sea.
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Maganda na nabanggit niya.
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Yung mga nag-lead ng anti-Pogo campaign, katulad ni Ace Barbers, katulad ni Sen. Riza Ontiveros,
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at saka Wynne Gatchal yan.
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Maganda na nabanggit niya yung paok na gumagawa ng mga raids, di ba?
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At yung Coast Guard na nagdadepensa sa atin.
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Yun ang magandang dagdag.
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Yun yung ginagawa ng mga previous presidents.
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Binabanggit nila yung mga tao, nagkakaroon ng muka yung kanilang persona.
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Oo. So, ang sinabi niyo, ang kaibangan lang dito.
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Although, one would have to say, the president was quite emotional.
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That was a moment when he did thank the AFP.
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And the Coast Guard.
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And he was almost teary-eyed, actually, when he was thanking them.
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So, isn't that more powerful than naming politicians or naming certain people in the story?
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Well, powerful yun. Pero ang sinasabi ko lang, makakadagdag siya.
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Dahil may makikitang muka eh, yung audience, di ba?
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In a way, parang mampandoy.
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Parang mampandoy.
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Pag sinabi mo anti-poverty, ang makikita mo si mampandoy, di ba?
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Hindi ko naman sinasabi na banggitin niya si Gadon as the face ng ating anti-poverty.
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Wala akong ganun. Yung mga magaganda namang mga halimbawa.
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Okay. But I wanted to ask you, before we move on to politics,
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is some have said that they were waiting for the president to talk about the ICC, for example.
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But he didn't. Should he have included that?
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Well, maganda yun. Dahil malinaw kasi itong kanyang zona is a clear departure.
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From the policies of his predecessor.
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Di ba? Sabi niya, peaceful, bloodless, no extermination.
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Mahalaga yung salitang extermination eh.
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Dahil parang judgment siya doon sa previous government.
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Ina-exterminate yung mga suspects, no? Without due process.
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Ikalawa, yung hindi ito kathang isip, itong West Philippine Sea.
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Lalong-lalong na sinabi nung kanyang predecessor,
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isa tong walang kwentang papel na dapat itapon sa basura.
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On his predecessor.
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At ikatlo, yung Pogos, na nag-flourish doon sa previous government.
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So, malinaw ito ay dig.
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Kung dinagdagan niya ng ICC, tingin ko mas compelling at mas defining itong zona na ito.
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Pero baka meron siyang dahilan.
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Baka gusto niya, sorpresahin, yung i-issuehan ng international warrant.
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Kaya hindi niya binanggit.
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It could have been more compelling and defining.
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Okay. Now, what about the economy?
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President did talk about the gains during his time.
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But given that a survey showed that more Filipinos felt they were poorer.
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As you said, that's self-criticism.
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Is that the part in the zona?
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Is that what's, in a way, it's what's hounding the president today?
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That's true, Karen.
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Dahil, alimbawa, nung kanyang second zona,
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tinumaan siya sa usapin ng food inflation.
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Di ba? Nag-aasan yung sibuyas.
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Yung asukal. Lalo na yung bigas.
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At malinaw na siya yung Secretary of Agriculture din.
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At ang sinabi niya, may gagawin ako para durugin ang mga cartels,
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ang mga hoarders, ang mga smugglers.
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That was the second zona.
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So, ngayon, mataas pa rin ang food inflation.
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At yun yung tumatama sa kanyang approval at saka trust ratings.
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Itong recent surveys, no?
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Pero, may nagawa ba siya tungkol sa mga cartels, sa mga hoarders, sa mga smugglers?
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Na rinig, mga nahuli o nakasuhan.
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So, makikita mo yung gap.
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At sabi mo nga, ito yung isang weakness niya.
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Kung talagang tutumbukin niya itong usapin ng food inflation,
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sana may ma-demonize siya ng mga kontrabida, no?
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Na binanggit na niya nung second zona.
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Ito yung medyo kulang.
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Kulang din yung usapin ng labor.
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Dahil yung wages ay sa mga nakaraang survey,
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ay ikalawa na gut level concern.
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Pero, yung hinihingi ng labor na 150 peso minimum wage increase,
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ang binigay lang nila ay 35 pesos.
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Mga dalawa, tatlong itlog lang yun eh.
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So, medyo yun yung mga tumatama sa gut level ng mga tao.
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Sana meron siyang magawa dyan.
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Kung hindi, dyan siya hahatulan eh.
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Dyan siya hahatulan.
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Oo, tama po kayo.
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It's about the economy, diba?
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Yan yung quote nga, even in American politics.
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The economy is stupid, diba?
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I was gonna say that.
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Okay, now let's move on to politics now.
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So, Vice President Sara Duterte did not attend.
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Her father, former President Duterte.
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But interestingly, even senators, you know,
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historically speaking, senators would always attend.
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And I don't remember, did Vice President Lenny Robredo attend Duterte's zona?
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Ay, dine-demonize siya.
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Ay, dine-demonize.
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Dine-demonize siya to the max.
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Ang tingin niya, ito ay obligasyon niya as Vice President.
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Actually, former President dumadalo rin eh.
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Dyan doon si ERAP.
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Dyan doon si Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
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Tapos yung mga senators, wala.
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So, clearly, ito ay pag-define ng line.
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Ito ay pag-draw ng line going into the midterm current.
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Tama yung sinasabi mo.
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Pero hindi lang ganun kasimple.
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Dahil sabi ko nga kanina, nilabas yung pulburong video.
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Duterte spokesperson, ex-human rights lawyer, Harry Roque.
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Bumabanat doon sa usapin ng pulburon.
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Wala lang nga si Mr. Supranational.
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Hindi niya kasama.
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Pero nandun siya.
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At may mga rally na medyo nilangaw lang dahil wala pang dalawang daan yung sumama.
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Doon sa Maysug rally sa Liwasang Bonipasyo.
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Pero yung ikatlo na very compelling.
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Medyo bitter si Vice President.
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Bilanggit pa niya na kahit manood, hindi niya gagawin.
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So, medyo sharp at saka bitter yung kanyang statement.
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Ni panonoo rin, hindi ko gagawin.
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Ang problema, ginamit pa niya yung patay as an excuse para hindi siya manood.
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But what about also labeling herself as the designated survivor?
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What did that exactly mean?
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I mean, we're all familiar with the series and how it is in the United States
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that there is a designated survivor.
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But what was that all about in the Philippine context?
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Medyo nakakatawa nga yun dahil sabi niya,
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it is a non-joke and a non-bomb threat.
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We missed the point, no?
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So, medyo ang problema na sa atin, we missed the point daw.
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Pero malinaw naman, may context yung kanyang statement.
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Dahil this past year, ay lahat ng threats binatunang kanyang pamilya
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at kanyang allies kay President Bongbong Marcos.
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mayroon ng meaning, pregnant with meaning yung kanyang statement.
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Dahil may context eh.
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Pag sinabi mo, ikaw ay designated survivor, kahit walang ganong provision sa ating batas,
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ang message mo ay, you are a threat.
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You are a threat.
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And you are prepared to take over sa presidente.
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Dahil nga sa context.
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It's all about context eh.
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Kung may threat kayo ng sedition, ng coup, mutiny,
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as we have seen these past few months,
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yung kanyang designated survivor is clearly a threat.
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Not just a joke, but a threat.
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My last question is, at the end, you talked about the threat.
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Frankly speaking, isn't Vice President Duterte really the biggest threat to the presidency?
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At the end of the day, when you look at the numbers,
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there is not one that comes close to her who has that kind of ambition, right?
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Or the Duterte ambition.
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Rafi Tulfo may be rating high,
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but some have said he's not as ambitious to run for president.
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So, at the end of the day, isn't this really,
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isn't she really the frontrunner at this point?
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Well, yes and no, Karen.
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Ang habol naman ng mga Duterte is to survive the midterms.
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Wala naman silang illusion na manalo eh.
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Gusto nila to survive.
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Dahil ang tingin nila, kung si Sarah pa rin ang frontliner,
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yung mga umalis sa kanila ay babalik at iiwanan si Bongbong Marcos.
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Kaya yun ang kanilang agenda.
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Pero, yung nabanggit mo na si Rafi Tulfo ay isang possible rival,
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pero hindi siya ambitious, could be.
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Pero usually naman kasi...
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That's what some sources have said, but yeah, go on.
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Usually, hindi mo naman yan aaminin at this point.
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Pag-i-escalap ka after the midterms,
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paano after the midterms?
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Ang agenda na, ang trajectory na is the 2028 presidential election.
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Kaya mauno pa ako, nasasabihin niya na hindi ako interesado dyan.
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Pero, pwedeng after the midterms ay magbago yung kanyang posisyon.
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Yung sinasabi nung iba na wala naman siyang ambition,
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pwedeng magbago yan.
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Dahil for now, siya lang yung medyo tumatapat eh.
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In terms of preference at saka ratings
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kay Sarah Duterte.
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Baka may sumulput pa na Black Swan.
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Paano? Mahaba pa eh.
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Three to four years.
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Three to four years pa.
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Kaya posible yun.
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Ang mahalaga rito, Karen,
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ay na hindi na pag-uusapan,
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sino ba yung backer ng mga Duterte?
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Dahil clearly kasi, sila ay pro-China.
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At clearly, yung China ay aggressor sa ating West Philippine Sea.
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Bubuhusan ba sila ng tulong ng China
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going into the midterm and the presidential election?
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So, yun yung medyo naiiba dito sa ating kalagayan.
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Ito yung first time na yung shadow
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ng great game of the superpowers
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ay hovering above us.
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So, pipili sila ng kanilang Manchurian candidate.
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At for now, ang malinaw,
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ito yung mga Duterte.
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And lastly, there were talks, right?
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I mean, you had the vice president saying
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three of the Dutertes might run her father
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and two brothers.
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And it doesn't seem to be the case at this point.
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Was that distraction?
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Ang sabi ko nga dyan, Karen,
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Method in the madness.
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Ang habon mo dyan ay pag-usapan kayo.
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Ang habon mo dyan ay ipakita na you are on the offensive.
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Hindi lang kayo nakasandal sa pader.
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Hindi lang kayo on the defensive.
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Ang habon mo dyan, itaub yung lamesa.
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Itaub yung lamesa,
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ma-disrupt yung political landscape
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para kayo ay magmarka.
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Malinaw naman, hindi tatakbo yung tatlo eh.
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Baka si Digo ang tumakbo as mayor.
59:08.2
Dahil under threat sila sa Dabao.
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At hindi na pwede si Bastet
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dahil absentee mayor siya eh.
59:14.3
Si Pulong will continue running for Congress.
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And possibly, si Bastet
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will be running for senator.
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Kailangan nila ipamprime.
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Dahil kung makikita mo, Karen,
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si Bastet yung parang nagiging
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Duterte-Digong 2.0.
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At it also diverts attacks
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from Vice President Sara Duterte
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nung finloat nila si Bastet.
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Baka siya nga yung patakbuhin
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kung siya ay mag-scale up.
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Dahil si Vice President Sara
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baka damaged goods na eh
59:43.5
after the midterm.
59:45.5
After the midterm.
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Dahil maraming ang banat sa kanya.
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Well, una, dahil naubos yung hugpong
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yung kanyang partido, yung members.
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Naubos yung PDP laban.
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So yun yung unang damage.
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Ikalawa, from a high of more than 80%,
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ngayon ay humahan pa siya na 60.
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So ibig sabihin, yung medyo bumababa siya.
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Kung yan ay magpapatuloy after the midterms,
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kung halimbawa ma-wipe out sila
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o mga isa o dalawa lang ang manalo,
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then dagdag yan na banat sa kanya.
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At ikatlo, kung merong susulput na alternative
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like Rafi Tulpo or someone else.
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So tatamaan siya.
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Kaya hindi fix yung pagiging leader niya
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ng PAC going into the 2028 presidential election.
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Yan ay moving parts.
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At for now, ay medyo pababa yung kanyang galaw.
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On that note, I want to thank you for joining me today.
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Once again, political analyst Ronald Llamas.
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Maraming salamat din, Karen.
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Alright. Ingat po kayo, sir.
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Let's get started today, everybody.
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I'm Karen Davila.
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