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nating mil courses sa grades 11 and 12
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they are only one quarter so it's not
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enough considering that it's it's now as
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important as read reading and writing
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and arithmetic no Iyung 3 hours kasama
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na dapat po ang media literacy which
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means that hindi lang po sa grades 11
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and 12 Dapat po bumaba ito ng grade one
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pa lang ay tinuturuan na natin ng mga
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bata maging media literate
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Um penalizing masterminds no especially
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black PR firms engaged in this
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information yung mga influence operators
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po na sinasabi um there has to be a way
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to penalize the masterminds rather than
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yyung individual trolls kasi um Wala ho
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tayong mararating kung maghahabol tayo
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ng individuals ah rather than Um yung
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nag-hire sa kanila or yung nagbabayad sa
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kanila some solutions in other countries
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next slide please sa Finland they have
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implemented a compr in media literacy
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program in schools and the general
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population leading to higher levels of
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public awareness and resilience against
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the Taiwan they have adopted a rapid
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response mechanism to counter dis
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information involving fact checking
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organizations government agencies and
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social media platforms this approach has
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been effective in addressing false
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information quickly at sana ho ito
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If there is collaboration um among and
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support with fact checking organizations
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especially now that Meta has remove
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their partnership with third party um
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checkers um Iyung sa Singapore porma law
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um they also have applied various
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contexts of quickly addressing and
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correcting false information so meron
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silang um executive rapid response where
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they publish the correction together
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with the false information para makita
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kaagad ng public kung ano yung mali at
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ano yyung tamang information so Ito po
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yyung mga aking masa-suggest at this
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po thank you so much um Ma'am
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Uh Rachel ikan so dito na tayo kay
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Attorney Michael tchu ah UP College of
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law and then after which we will be
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Proceeding to the government agencies Uh
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so Uh Attorney Michael Chu You are now
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recognized bya Zoom Yes by Zoom sige
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Thank you Mr chair Uh Good morning your
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honors I will Uh share a presentation as
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well hopefully it is visible and um I
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want to acknowledge also that my Uh
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presentation draw on the work of Uh Dr
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Ong um because he has Uh done a lot of
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work in studying this information in our
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context and um reiterating as well that
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differences among this information
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misinformation and Mal information as Dr
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kh had mentioned but I want to highlight
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Uh in this information for example Uh
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from a legal perspective um there should
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be a justification for um the regulation
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Uh or whatever law that may be passed
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that targets this information and it's
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not um insurmountable there are Uh ways
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to do that Uh I think that Uh the first
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thing that I would say is that Uh human
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rights experts um In The un system or
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the special procedures for example will
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say that we do not Uh punish this
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information per se but we Uh focus on
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the agenda and also the intent Uh which
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is uh what distinguishes this
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information from the others which they
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intend to propagate false information
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for a particular agenda and um I say
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that because Uh that has to be squared
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with our constitutional framework on
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freedom of expression and how expression
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can be regulated I want to also
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reiterate um the context Uh that is
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important Uh here your honors Uh because
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um while we do take guidance or we
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compare our approach to the approaches
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of other States Uh it is important to
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recognize that those States may not have
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free expression environment as we do Uh
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or have different histories or
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experiences for example if we look to
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the laws of Germany restricting hate
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speech Uh you will understand Why their
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approach on hate speech is that way a
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little bit stricter than most Uh because
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of the their experiences with world war
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two and the atrocities that followed um
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versus um the experiences of the United
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States for example Uh which really Uh is
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inclined to protect Uh free expression
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in the widest breath Uh possible and Uh
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on that note Uh a lot of our doctrine um
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and laws in the Philippines you Uh
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towards the US approach not entirely But
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closer to that than let's say Germany's
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approach in the same way that canada's
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approach is different from ours because
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they have specific Uh values
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constitutional values that they want to
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promote let's say the protection of
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Democratic society um which is something
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that we share with them but um that's
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exact that's part of their legal test
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Actually Okay So um just to reiterate
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some of the ways in which um this
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information is propagated online and
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again i defer to Uh The Other experts on
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this but These are the ways um and I
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think we see them Uh being um conducted
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being done Uh in platforms and elsewhere
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Uh in the internet social engineering
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for example will employ meth that
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Uh Uh that recreate or that um trunc Uh
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or changes the context or context is
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missing and of course um that also
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transforms particular content Uh through
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the use of technology Okay um and these
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are some of the models um Dr ong's work
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generated some of the models and now
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defer Uh to him um regarding that I also
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just want to um emphasize that
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um that companies Uh should be able to
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see social media companies for example
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should be able to see Uh disinformation
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Networks because these accounts are
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interconnected see So often because of
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analytics and the technology that they
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use they will be able to spot patterns
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um in their platforms and that should be
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visible to them and especially when
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these this information Networks cross
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platform so for example in the case of
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Meta where you have um Facebook and
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Instagram they can cross platforms Uh
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and therefore it should also be visible
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to those companies given that they also
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use algorithms and artificial
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intelligence Uh to spot those Okay So um
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again Uh your owners have already stated
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the effect of this information on our
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institutions I will not Uh reiterate
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that Uh just to also say that um It also
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has an effect on the population and
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could be counterproductive to all the
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other Education measures Uh that we have
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been doing which means more Education
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then Uh is called for Okay so these are
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some of the strategies Uh that have been
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um offered and we discuss them Uh
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briefly in a little bit in the context
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of how other countries approach it Uh
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the my um contribution to the discussion
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would be to Uh echo that of course
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expression and content are protected
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under the constitution save under Uh
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exceptions and this is why I emphasized
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earlier that Uh this information per se
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um need to be carefully reckoned with
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because there Uh It's such of Uh a
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breath that some protected expression or
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a lot of protected expression Might Be
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um a law on this information so Uh But
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there are ways again Uh to deal with
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that Uh from the legal standpoint in
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addition to the policy recommendations
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so we have fact checking of course
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platforms do that Although as discussed
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Dr canad Uh taken a different path here
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media literacy so some studies Uh let's
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say this case study from West African
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um tell us that when students are taught
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media literacy and critical thinking
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skills Uh they are able to better Combat
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this information because the end user or
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those who are targeted with this
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information are able to discern the type
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of information that Uh they are
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receiving and so again to the point Uh
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that was asked um in the invitation to
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talk about education education is really
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an important part of it but really
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tailored Uh Education um and also um in
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the formative stages because and also
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the universities will be very important
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because um critical thinking is also
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developed at that level a deeper Uh
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critical thinking So um and then some of
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these also um suggested by our experts I
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want to turn to the approaches of the
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countries um our and those who are um
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elsewhere Singapore as mentioned has a
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law Uh that Uh focuses on online
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falsehood that can harm public interest
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and Uh some of the remedies in This law
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will be correction orders so i think you
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scale it Uh and International Law also
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requires us to be proportionate in our
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response So if the response to the type
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of harm can be Uh remedied by a
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correction order you don't need to
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remove it Uh a takedown order if it's um
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of a graver um Uh nature and then
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account restrictions Uh would be um
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imposed on such such Grave offense so
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there are penalties um involved there
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Vietnam um also has a decree on this Uh
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and it targets Uh interstate service
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providers internet service providers as
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well Uh and social media platforms Uh
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and one of the remedies is removal of
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content that they define as illegal
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mexico's government has a Fr checking
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site So this is also an important
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countermeasure um used broadly so that
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um there is a government source that
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counter checks whatever information
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false information is out there and um
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Finland as was mentioned also have
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National media Education policies and
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new literacy program this ties neatly
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into the whole of society Uh or Nation
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approach that was Uh mentioned earlier
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because this cannot be addressed by one
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only and and Penal law only It also has
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to um be proactive Uh in preventing Uh
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future susceptibility to this
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information Nigeria has a private effort
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called Africa check um Canada has anti
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online disinformation that has tools Uh
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relating to different types of specific
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um Uh Uh areas where this information
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happens and the Netherlands also has a
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program um like Canada and Finland Uh
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and they assign this to various
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ministries Australia uses a task force
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um to monitor this information and again
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the importance of a media literacy
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campaign that is meaningful and not just
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you know something that you post online
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and you leave that um there so it has to
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involve stakeholders like our
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educational institutions France has a
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law on Election misinformation so It's
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very specific and defines um
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particular terms which will turn to
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earlier one of the more significant um
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regulations will come from the European
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Union through the digital services act
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here the focus would be on platforms
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large platforms um I think the threshold
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is 45 million users or subscribers and
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there are certain obligations that are
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imposed on those platforms um for them
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to be able to operate in the European
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union and just to Uh recall as well that
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the European Union um is an economic Uh
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Union um for the most part and so that's
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the target but It also protects um EU
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citizens from harm so there's they are
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obliged to do risk assessments those
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companies Uh to report those Risk
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assessments and to be audited by an
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independent third party So um and then
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if not then There Will Be consequences
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there will also be Uh penalties Uh there
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Germany has a law as i mentioned earlier
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but Uh the context is different So this
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is a summary of those um to turn to our
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approach and I am I will go quickly
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because Uh of course as Uh members of
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the house of representatives You are
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very much aware um of these but um we
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have unprotected speech um in our
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constitutional framework that has
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already existing so as mentioned earlier
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Uh libel and deformation some of the
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ills or the problems that had been
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mentioned earlier might already be
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covered by unprotected speech so these
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things Uh of course Congress can
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legislate on Uh can amend Uh the laws Uh
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that we already have based as well on
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case law that the Supreme Court had um
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released Uh interpreting some of these
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provisions so Uh these would be helpful
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guide post um in What is unprotected or
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protected the rest that are not covered
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by those would be protected and so if um
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Congress the house of representatives
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decides to pass a law Uh that restricts
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expression that is not covered by those
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which are already unprotected the and Uh
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that law must Uh be analyzed or must be
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crafted with foresight in mind that um
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challenges to the law Uh that restricts
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expression might have to contend with
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these particular tests and the most and
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I will not discuss all of them but um
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the most relevant Uh for us the
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brandenburg test um which is Uh recently
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reiterated by the court in the
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anti-terrorism Uh law case um might not
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be as relevant here because that speaks
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of incitement but Um what is relevant
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here Might Be the clear and present
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danger test So Here um the as we can see
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how the test is formulated Uh Congress
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has the right to legislate um on an Evil
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that the government has a right to
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prevent so that can be very broad but Uh
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that legislation can only pass Master
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constitutional Master if Again the
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danger is clear and it is present so my
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point there is for the legislation to be
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very very clear in its policy
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declaration and in the provisions with
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respect to the danger that is being
15:35.2
addressed and the imminence of that
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danger it cannot be something that is
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hypothetical and um so those are some of
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the tests Uh that we have your hors and
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I'll be open to questions on them later
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because for in the interest of time but
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one of the um international laws that
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also govern um state conduct is the
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International covenant on civil and
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political rights Here it allow Uh lw Uh
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that might have an impact on speech As
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Long As It satisfies um three test the
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first one is legality so that means that
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the lw definition have to be very clear
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so that the citizen in this case We may
16:14.8
have an issue of trolls Uh or
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influencers that will Bear The impact
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know exactly what conduct to avoid um
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and that shouldn't also lead to chilling
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effect and then Uh the legitimate aim is
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covered because public order is one of
16:30.3
the legitimate aims as well as respect
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for the rights and reputations of others
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and necessity and proportionality so the
16:37.6
fines should not be too exorbitant or
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imprisonment should not be too
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exorbitant that it's no longer
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proportionate Uh to what was let's say
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It's misinformation or mal information
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as opposed to this information Meta
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strategy was also discussed earlier so
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just breezing through um and one maybe
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I'll end here with the final points on
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what the US had done um us federal trade
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act Uh declares that um unlawful Unfair
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or deceptive acts or practices that
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include Uh that includes influencers and
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part of the practice guidance here is
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for disclosures from influencers I think
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we've also heard about this case about
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the tiktok ban in the US And that's
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coming from a law that protects Uh us
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citizens from foreign adversary
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controlled Uh applications So this
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requires div me um if you want to
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continue operating in the country the
17:32.1
investment of the um foreign adversaries
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stake in the corporation or in the
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application and Uh that is narrow here
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because they they define who exactly is
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a foreign adversary so they identify
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particular countries um in the case of
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tiktok they identified China um and so
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these are some of the proposals that
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were mentioned earlier I will no longer
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repeat them but I am open to questions
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of your honor Sir I think the final
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point is that um artificial intelligence
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Might Be leveraged for this but it's a
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double Edge sword because artificial
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intelligence had also been used um in
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that this information strategy Thank you
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very much your honors Okay thank you so
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much Uh will be allowing the members to
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Uh konti na langan po Ong magpepresent
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wel be Proceeding to the Uh government
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agencies ah unahin po natin si Uh
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secretary secretary Ian Thank you for
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being here on our invitation Uh you have
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sir Okay go ahead
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sir thank you very much honorable chair
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um the presentation will be presented by
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our cyber security und secretary Jeff
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d Okay you set Jeff You are now
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recognized thank you Thank you Mr Chair
18:53.4
and to our secretary of ict um secretary
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Ivan John the presentation po just
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Uh an overview of um ah Ano you can you
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kindly Speak louder Uh ung Mik Hi the
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reason why we invited the government
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agencies is to find out if Uh they are
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compliant with the Republic Act
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10175 especially on the implementation
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of the Uh cyber crime investigation
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coordinating Center ah kung ito po ay
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nagpa-function para to abate Uh this Uh
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problem of Uh misinformation
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disinformation and mal information and
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ah Siguro with your presentation maklaro
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sa ating mga kababayan kung ah ano na
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yung ah estado at kinalalagyan ng ating
19:38.8
gobyerno on abating this problem Thank
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you Uh yek and secretary you can proceed
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presentation so so Mr chair Uh so There
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Will Be two presentations one
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presentation from the dict usec for
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cyber and then the next presentation
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will be from cicc on Uh specifically
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what or your point of inquiry Yes Ah so
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bale sa ano muna on the point of the
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Department yes and and then afterwards
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yung sa cicc which was created under
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10175 they have presented to that as
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well already but Ah nakita namin na very
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informative at Siguro kailangan malaman
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po to ng taong bayan so Sige
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ek Jeffrey proceed Thank you Mr chair
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Thank you secretary so Uh yung
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presentation lang po if we can Uh flash
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it on the screen um this presentation
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also went through the Uh cicc the cyber
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crime investigation coordinating council
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executive committee which convened last
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week next slide please just an overview
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the Philippines is rank number two Quiet
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Please quiet please Okay go ahead just
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an overview um of the Philippine Social
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Media landscape the Philippines rank
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number two in social media usage with
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86.5 million social media users um that
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constitutes about 73 point 4% of the
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entire population we average daily 3
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hours and 34 minutes of screen time in
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social media and the most popular app
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still remains to be um Facebook and
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Messenger a very far second is tiktok
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Although Instagram and x which was
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formerly Twitter is more famous do sa
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younger Uh audiences let me point out
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lang your honors that most people
21:27.8
maintain multiple social media accounts
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so the statistics Might Be a little
21:33.0
skewed in favor of Facebook because some
21:35.6
some who also use other social media
21:37.5
platforms have their own Facebook
21:39.7
accounts next slide
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please So um with regard to
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misinformation and concerns according to
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a survey by the world economic forum and
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some other um and the United Nations
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43.9 per of Filipino social media users
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follow particular influencers and 6.8%
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of users signified concerns about what
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is real or fake on the internet um 70%
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of Filipinos on Social Media also bought
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a product due to an advertisement by an
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influencer recommendation we're
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generally talking about influencers not
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necessarily as artists but also yung mga
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sikat po ng mga vloggers at saka yung
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mga sikat pong nagbebenta sa tiktok at
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saka sa Facebook marketplace
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next slide please we would like to
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present two cases just to ex just to
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Uh challenges of the law enforcement
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agencies when it comes to enforcing the
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law um specifically on misinformation I
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Sorry on disinformation mal information
22:46.5
etc no um we would like to present the
22:49.6
case of the pulboron which is where
22:53.4
ah napatunayan na naman po ah nagkaroon
22:56.6
na po ng ah forensics ang NBI ang PNP
23:00.1
the dict already spoke on it cicc the
23:03.5
center also spoke Vera files and The
23:06.3
Other private parties already said with
23:09.8
finality that that was a deep Wake The
23:12.8
Deep wake was first presented in a rally
23:15.6
Uh in the United States um seemingly a
23:19.3
face of the President was swapped to a
23:21.2
person inhaling a white substance Uh in
23:24.7
that particular video next slide
23:29.3
so in this particular incident sinabi na
23:31.4
po like i mentioned earlier maliwanag po
23:33.4
na This is a deep fake which was
23:35.6
intended to maline the President and the
23:39.2
current leadership It is a manipulated
23:41.6
video featuring the President um and we
23:45.5
already issued all government agencies
23:47.5
were One In issuing A clarification that
23:50.0
This was false and this was deep
23:52.8
fake I will discuss more about that sir
23:55.4
but I would like to highlight a second
23:57.0
case yung second case naman po Uh next
23:59.5
slide bago ko po i-discuss yung two
24:01.8
cases this one is and I'm sorry I'm
24:04.7
sorry Mr chair for presenting this but
24:07.4
this is already in social media po in
24:09.2
tiktok a particular person Uh under the
24:12.8
handle of amp satire had been producing
24:16.3
deep fakes but this time it is different
24:19.0
this time inaamin po niya na deep fake
24:21.5
yyung pino-produce niya at meron po
24:23.6
siyang colatilla na sinasabi niya yung
24:26.0
kanyang ppr is for political sa
24:29.2
sinasabi niya na these are all satirical
24:31.2
and these are all political opinions so
24:33.5
Yung isa po hindi niya inamin sinasabi
24:36.5
yung baliktad po yung pulon case
24:38.7
sinasabi nila na totoo yon Ito naman
24:42.1
pong si amp sa tire Almost everyday
24:44.8
nagpo-produce sa tiktok sinasabi niya
24:46.7
This is atire and that this is for Fun
24:49.6
Yun nga lang po obviously ang
24:51.2
tina-target po din niya nandyan po si
24:53.9
number one in our constitutional
24:55.2
hierarchy the President and then
24:57.1
followed by the number four or in our
24:59.2
constitutional hierarchy Uh the speaker
25:02.0
of the house of representatives and some
25:04.7
other personalities
25:06.6
involved next slide so mga targets yan
25:09.7
talagang they are being hired to malign
25:13.4
the persons of those political
25:16.8
personalities to be honest Mr chair we
25:19.9
do not have specific information yet but
25:22.9
we are willing to share results of
25:25.0
Investigation of our our efforts to to
25:29.2
track down the entire machinery being
25:31.9
used which is on the next slide Mr chair
25:33.9
All right sige go
25:35.3
ahead Ah wala lang Mr Cher
25:40.8
ah nag-react kasi nakita ko yung picture
25:43.2
ko eh So kaya i reacted my apologies Mr
25:46.4
Cher sige pero kung meron na kayong
25:48.6
makukuhang mga sources diyan eh maganda
25:51.4
for us sige go ahead so Mr chair um
25:54.7
First I would like to seek the Apology
25:56.4
of the committee because this no charges
25:59.7
until now Uh have been filed with case
26:02.6
to the polboron pero meron kaming map
26:05.8
out of the personalities that engage in
26:09.6
kung sino yyung anchor ang tawag namin
26:11.2
doon anchor e yung parang source tapos
26:28.4
executive session to Congressman surely
26:31.2
we have to Uh to have an executive
26:33.5
session on that matter Uh this entails
26:35.8
Uh National Security Ah okay Congressman
26:40.0
barbers Mr Chairman just clarification
26:42.2
kay yek Jeff ah Ang ibig mong sabihin
26:46.9
identified niyo kung saan nag-originate
26:51.4
video sir Um yung originate hindi po Uh
26:56.5
How would I say may suspect po kami sino
26:59.5
yung anchor kung saan shine-share
27:01.8
similar to the academic discussions
27:04.2
earlier made by the academ usually meron
27:06.6
siyang anchor and then pupwedeng because
27:10.2
naniniwala ka lang hindi ka naman paid
27:12.3
Pero kung papaano din-din so meron po
27:15.5
siyang um with the Uh with the
27:19.2
indulgence sa Congressman Ace barbers ah
27:22.2
kasi Ong information na to very critical
27:24.4
as well kasi sa atin Okay lang yung
27:26.4
personal natin eh yung personal natin
27:28.8
we can talk about it but if this Uh
27:32.2
video pertaining to halimbawa yung sa
27:35.9
Philippines sasabihin natin yung yung
27:38.4
source naon ma-identify natin It Might
27:41.3
It Might jti yung operation ng ng dict
27:46.5
so I believe that we need to have a
27:49.1
Executive session on this matter because
27:51.7
I know what you're driving h Chairman ah
27:55.3
kasi kung sa atin lang sige okay na yan
27:57.5
pero makikita inten eh So
28:00.0
wag I believe that we have to have an
28:02.1
executive I Absolutely agree with you mr
28:04.3
chair but my question directed to the ek
28:08.6
Jeff is alam nila kung kaya nga
28:28.2
person in mind you have a suspect We
28:30.2
have a series of people who who could be
28:32.2
the Anchors because sila sila sa kanila
28:34.6
yung kumbaga p in ABC po sila yyung root
28:37.7
sila yyung main prop and if evidence
28:39.5
warrants magpa-file kayo ng kaso if the
28:42.2
case May we know ano yung kasong
28:44.2
ipa-file niyo Ah sir ah if Meron nga po
28:47.5
kaming question We will present that
28:50.0
because we Thank you Mr check thank you
28:52.3
okay Uh you you can proceed with that
28:54.6
thank you so much thank you Thank you Mr
28:57.0
so Uh to the next slide po So um Here
29:01.5
are the open debates that we are having
29:03.4
In which we would like to share to the
29:05.1
public and also to the esteem tricom so
29:08.4
that Uh para makita po kung gaano ka-
29:10.5
complex yyung issue ng misinformation
29:13.1
and disinformation if we focus on the
29:16.2
pover on case the questions in mind that
29:18.2
we are discussing among the executive
29:20.0
committee of the cicc which includes the
29:22.6
NBI the the PNP acg and the DOJ is that
29:26.5
will dis fall under the S
29:28.8
revised Penal Code article 139 or a
29:31.7
rebellious act or sedition um because
29:34.3
the element must be that the offender
29:36.0
rises publicly and tumultuous among
29:38.4
other things Ito naman po kasi openly
29:41.4
pananawagan nila na bbm resign ah Mamaya
29:44.8
po ipapakita rin namin yung pag nakita
29:47.5
niyo po kasi yung yung yung hashtags ang
29:51.2
ginamit nila is und hh polboron hh bbm
29:57.2
resign and then they used # PNP # AFP
30:01.6
parang they are It seems that they are
30:04.0
fooling the public that the AFP our
30:07.3
armed elements our legitimate Uh Uh
30:10.7
armed forces are part of this particular
30:14.0
call So may mga ganon po kasing ah
30:16.4
ginamit sila pero pero you yung hashtag
30:18.5
is like o para lang inform kayo of this
30:20.8
content eh right Yes sir but it's also
30:23.4
being used as a metric for virality
30:25.6
among social media part viral to make it
30:28.3
viral Yes sir but They're not part of
30:30.4
that Uh no yes Sir sige okay Uh next
30:35.3
please so now in this particular case
30:38.8
study again let me emphasize two things
30:41.2
which our esteemed um colleagues from
30:43.6
the academ already presented the case of
30:46.2
the polboron is very very clear mal
30:50.3
information kin claim nila totoo ito So
30:53.6
it is a National Security Concern in the
30:56.1
case of amp satire it was self
30:59.0
identified pero tinatago pa rin po niya
31:01.9
ung kaniang physical ung kaniyang true
31:04.0
identity so mga questions namin ngayon
31:06.4
does it fall under sedition law can
31:08.1
sedition case be filed in the case of
31:09.5
polboron case pero Ito po yung yung
31:12.3
number three Bullet point po ang
31:13.6
Actually mas mahirap Usually the
31:17.1
information being requested on the
31:19.4
actual people behind handles like in the
31:22.2
case of amp satire or in the case of
31:24.5
other ah kasi hindi po totoong identity
31:27.6
minsan yung pino-post nila sa Facebook
31:29.5
Nahihirapan po kaming magac kasi we need
31:32.8
to issue a cyber Uh warrant and and I
31:35.6
think the law enforcement agencies would
31:39.0
Uh and would be more Uh Uh authoritative
31:43.8
to to to give to Enlighten that matter
31:46.7
pero usually po kasi for the case of
31:49.1
cyber libel pag magpa-file po ng mlat
31:51.3
which is mutually legal assistance
31:54.7
treaty um sasabihin ng us for example
31:58.8
but libel is not a criminal offense in
32:04.9
ergo wala you cannot compel us to
32:08.0
produce that information just just to
32:10.0
give you an example your honor so next
32:12.1
slide dahil sa kanila si state civil
32:14.3
civil case po ang Li and it was
32:17.0
committed in the United States and
32:19.6
that's a reason why it's hard for us to
32:21.6
one of the reasons why we're having some
32:23.1
difficulties but Uh talking about the Uh
32:27.4
the you were talking about the supina
32:29.8
power Yes Sir Uh um Uh papunta po kayo
32:33.7
doon Okay good yes Sir the sapina power
32:36.4
So Here i would like to ex gusto lang po
32:38.8
naming ipakita sa sa public and sa
32:41.8
members ng Congress kung ano po yyung
32:43.8
similar laws pero on a more practical
32:45.8
note kanina kasi diniscuss ng academ
32:47.6
Iyung ibang laws but more on a you know
32:50.5
on on on more academic node ito
32:52.5
practical lang po how how do other
32:55.0
countries treat cyber warrants sa atin
32:57.5
po kasi pareho tayo ng us which is the
32:59.3
first row magaapply ka sa court But
33:02.4
there are some other countries na
33:03.9
ina-allow nila for example yung
33:05.4
prosecution or competent Uh police
33:08.8
authorities to issue a limited power to
33:12.4
sapina information and
33:15.1
Uh that's that's where we're coming from
33:17.6
for example Russia has that Singapore
33:19.7
has a limited power on that and also the
33:22.9
United Kingdom um other next slide po
33:28.4
now in terms of retention nagiging
33:30.2
problema rin po kasi from a law
33:31.5
enforcement perspective yyung retention
33:33.4
sometimes magpa-file ng kaso 8 months
33:35.8
Down The Road kasi doon lang naging
33:37.7
available Iyung warrants and Iyung
33:39.8
information that we need pero burado na
33:42.8
I understand that the social media
33:45.0
Networks I hope nga they are here sa
33:47.7
kanilang servers which is located
33:49.2
elsewhere in the world but not in the
33:50.8
Philippines I'm sure they have that data
33:54.2
because they also have data retention
33:56.3
policies with other countries
33:58.2
but in the country po kasi we follow
34:00.3
some similar to the United States again
34:03.0
and Singapore and Russia na magreet lang
34:05.7
sila ng information Upon The request of
34:08.2
law enforcement agencies unlike other
34:10.8
countries like the United Kingdom
34:12.5
Australia na meron talaga silang data
34:14.7
retention policies even for social media
34:18.2
so ah next slide po and So here is a
34:22.4
summary of the issues and of what we are
34:26.3
requesting Just in case
34:28.7
Uh something to think about po do sa
34:31.4
house bill that was proposed for social
34:34.4
media regulation and this is what the
34:36.2
dict has been referring to as social
34:38.7
media regulation Hindi naman namin
34:40.6
sinasabi na kokontrolin natin social
34:43.1
media but just to allow the the law
34:45.7
enforcement agencies to have more
34:48.0
immediate power to react kasi ngayon po
34:50.9
nasa 30 Actually 3 second rule na po ang
34:53.4
social media Um 3 seconds scroll scroll
34:58.2
tapos in a day viral na siya but our
35:01.5
courts will take months before they can
35:03.5
issue the warrant by that time tapos na
35:05.7
yyung viral ibang issue na po yyung
35:07.2
viral so for example We have a challenge
35:10.3
in obtaining information and evidence
35:12.8
Sinabi ko na po yung sa jurisdictional
35:14.5
issue um some some if if the Crime or
35:18.0
the alleged Crime was committed outside
35:20.4
of the Philippines and they don't treat
35:22.2
it a crime we have We have a difficulty
35:25.3
obtaining information now on the third
35:27.9
Bullet point po on takedown request and
35:29.9
parameters and content removal we take
35:32.3
note which was also discussed by the
35:34.0
academ the dec case versus the secretary
35:37.8
of justice in in questioning the
35:40.6
constitutionality of
35:42.1
10175 we understand that if the law is
35:44.7
too superfluous or ambiguous they strike
35:48.0
it down as unconstitutional but let me
35:49.8
point out also Mr chair that in the osic
35:53.0
law it was allowed na may auto takedown
35:55.7
kapagka child pornography so i think if
35:59.4
we craft a law that will allow a auto
36:03.4
takedown but with specific parameters so
36:05.9
as not to curtail freedom of expression
36:08.5
in the interest of National Security
36:10.5
then we can Uh then I think that that
36:14.4
could be that could be allowed no so an
36:16.9
answer to the disini versus secretary of
36:19.4
justice when they question the Uh talk
36:22.5
about the automatic takedown on the part
36:24.2
of the platforms Yes po Actually ung ano
36:27.6
po kasi 10175 if I remember the original
36:30.2
provision was section 5 grants the power
36:32.7
to the secretary of justice to issue a
36:35.4
takedown order on any website or
36:37.4
platform If there is evidence that there
36:40.0
was a criminal Uh ah Parang Uh intent
36:44.4
doon po sa post yun po yyung na- Strike
36:46.9
down ng ng Supreme Court Supreme Court
36:49.8
section 12 ba ah section I'm sorry I'm
36:53.4
not sure about the section sir But there
36:54.7
is a section There ntc Was telling
36:57.8
section 19 daw sir so yun yung
36:59.9
nag-strike down but but I think As I
37:02.5
mention yung sa oso kasi inallow ng
37:04.3
Supreme Court basta child pornography so
37:06.6
with the proper parameters and that's
37:09.2
the reason why we invited also the
37:11.0
platforms unfortunately ah sa ating
37:13.8
briefing Andon Iyung tiktok Iyung bik
37:16.0
dance but now They are not here so we
37:18.0
will be inviting them over again and now
37:20.4
we will be um Uh also obs observing the
37:24.3
Uh proper procedure on how to tackle
37:26.9
those Uh invites invitees who are not
37:29.7
present on today's hearing so Uh Google
37:32.0
Uh by dance Uh Meta and I think YouTube
37:37.4
so later later on I'll be asking the
37:39.5
members also to Uh to have a motion sige
37:42.8
go ahead proceed please and and Uh Mr
37:45.5
Chair and este team members of the
37:46.9
tricom We also propose that there be a
37:49.0
data retention policy where the law
37:51.2
enforcement can ask for data Just in
37:54.2
case a file Is to be a case is to be
37:57.1
filed in the future date So yun po kasi
38:00.4
isa sa mga nagiging problems natin in
38:02.0
the case of polboron na-take down na nga
38:03.5
yata yung mga posts so ang ibig sabihin
38:06.4
po ah yek you're talking about the
38:09.0
retention of the post on the social
38:11.1
platform kasi once the na-take down nila
38:14.4
ion ah ang court will not appreciate the
38:18.9
filing of the case without the the
38:21.8
content being in the in the ano in the
38:24.4
page that is correct kasi ang lalabas po
38:26.2
k questionin na sabihin o screenshot
38:28.1
lang naman yung ebidensya mo or video
38:30.4
yan From Another video you took a video
38:32.6
of a video in a past social media
38:35.5
platform so medyo nagkakaroon po ng
38:37.1
differences or difficult kaya ako
38:39.2
nagulat din ako kasi may mga text sa
38:40.9
akin yung mga nag-post na tinitira tayo
38:43.9
tapos suddenly Wala na deleted na
38:47.0
deleted na so meaning kasi nagkakaroon
38:49.4
na sila ng ah well siguro natatakot din
38:52.5
po sila because of the action being
38:54.2
taken by this Uh by this Congress and
38:57.1
now we need to tell our people that Uh
39:00.1
the government is doing their job Uh
39:03.2
fortunately Uh the privilege speeches ah
39:07.1
Ikaw lang pala dalang speeches yan ba
39:10.0
two privilege privilege speeches that
39:12.0
was delivered by Congressman barbers and
39:14.8
the resolution Uh will do justice not
39:17.4
only to the Uh members of this house and
39:20.3
the Uh the executive department the
39:23.4
ordinary people Uh The showbiz industry
39:27.4
and others as well Uh siguro talagang
39:30.0
kailangang gawin po ng Uh ng Uh cicc Uh
39:34.8
cyber crime investigation Uh
39:37.1
coordinating Center yung trabaho kasi
39:40.1
ang worry ko po diyan yung sa supina
39:42.4
power ah Like for example yung Uh How
39:45.8
can you supina those who have violated
39:49.0
yung mga offensive Uh
39:53.8
contents sir Um thank you Thank you for
39:56.9
that question Mr chair so in our
39:58.7
presentation we did mention that walang
40:00.2
sapina powers ang cicc wala rin ang PNP
40:03.4
acg ang nagsasab pina po NBI but
40:06.3
Actually wala rin yatang force of pero
40:09.3
content powers ang NBI sir eh we have
40:11.6
discussed that yesterday in the briefing
40:13.1
eh Yes sir okay Ah yung ah cicc walang
40:17.2
ah supina power yung ah ah cicc that was
40:23.0
10175 correct It It is just a
40:25.6
coordinating Center correct but but the
40:28.3
cidg or the PNP Uh which is part of the
40:32.5
coordinating center and the NBI have a
40:35.0
supina power wala rin poan sir
40:38.9
idg andiyan si ah General T atyan sir
40:44.5
Umalis na po sir Umalis na si General
40:46.1
tore so di ba ang cidg have you have a
40:49.0
supina power Yes Sir we have but it is
40:51.9
exclusively for cases handled by cidg
40:55.6
cases exclusively handled Yes Sir
40:58.5
handled by What do you mean by
40:59.9
exclusively handled if this case Uh were
41:03.4
investigated and subsequently filed by
41:05.4
cidg then Uh we can issue subin no no no
41:08.9
no being a part of the coordinating
41:10.5
Center being a part of the cyber crime
41:13.3
investigation coord coordinating Center
41:16.7
that will be exclusively a part of the
41:19.5
Uh PNP because you are a member of the
41:23.4
coordinating Center And that's the
41:25.1
reason why You were you were put in the
41:27.6
1017 75 precisely you have the power to
41:30.6
subin those people kaya it is the ano
41:34.2
responsibility of the Uh cidg having a
41:37.7
suben of power to issue to issue it to
41:41.0
those who have violated the illegal
41:44.2
content ' ba correct Yes Actually NBI Ah
41:50.2
yes Sir it is the chief PNP who has the
41:55.6
ha PNP the cidg of the power that is
42:00.4
vested on your on your Ano directorate '
42:07.6
ba o kaya nga kayo criminal
42:12.2
detective ah Sayang wala si chairman ako
42:15.7
baka nasermonan ka no sir
42:18.8
ah the the ch PNP sir is the member of
42:22.2
the cicc and he has also sub pina power
42:25.4
Yes I know that but the problem is in
42:29.0
the creation of the
42:30.8
cicc Syempre This is being headed by the
42:34.0
Uh the ict ' ba and then um ang vice
42:38.5
chair person is the NBI member ang cpnp
42:42.5
well kung titingnan mo yyung caliber of
42:44.4
leveling of the positions medyo nasa
42:47.5
member lang si cpnp And that's the
42:49.6
reason why we are asking the cidg to
42:52.0
pill in the gaps na kayo pumasok hindi
42:54.7
mo ipasok si cpnp dun sa pagiging ng si
42:57.6
icc Hindi aattend yan Yes sir ah if if
43:02.8
it involves investigation conducted by
43:05.2
the cicc and the CD is part of this
43:07.7
investigation then we can isue you will
43:10.0
be a part of the investigation why
43:11.8
Because you are a member of the
43:13.2
coordinating Center kaya coordinating
43:15.4
center and and the reason why we have We
43:17.5
have a a hearing like this because we
43:19.6
wanted to put that cicc as a Agency in
43:22.6
the amendment that we will be filing
43:24.7
kailangan na tayong magkaroon ng
43:26.0
sariling agency hindi lamang po siya
43:28.5
coordinating Center We will have a power
43:31.2
of an agency to issue sub as well so for
43:34.8
the mean time that we don't have like
43:37.1
that agency as just yet I think the the
43:45.4
should be coordinating talaga doon sa
43:48.2
cicc para may ngipin po talaga tayo i
43:51.4
think yun ang naging Ano niyo an ang
43:54.2
naging balakid po ninyo I correct
43:57.7
Well hindi naman siguro balakid sir Kasi
44:00.4
palagi naman kami nag-uusap marami rin
44:01.8
namang nahuli na si yek Ramos but
44:05.1
nag-focus lang sir in the past scams so
44:07.5
mga MC catchers scammers um So you're
44:10.6
right sir we borrow the powers so we
44:13.1
coordinate with the law enforcement
44:14.8
agency Uh Sorry for the coat but
44:17.4
seemingly to burrow their power so that
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they can similar to how the paok
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operates po so kasama ang PNP kasama
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kasi especially now that nakita po naman
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there are issues in the West Philippines
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Ah yung mga mga Have you seen the post
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ni army Chief natin na Nasisira yung
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kanilang fight sa West Philippines se
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because of the fake mga That's National
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Security and may read may read an
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Basahin ko lang po
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Ito po sinabi ni comod j kiela yung
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Philippine coastguard po natin
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spokesperson for the West philippin Sea
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on the role of social media influencers
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in the discourse surrounding the West
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philippin Sea February 3 2025 ngayon
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lang sabiya i would like to commend the
45:19.8
house of representatives for leading
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initiative by inviting social media
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personalities who sometimes model the
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conversation regarding our fight in the
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West philippin Sea at times some of them
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even amplify PRC narratives and weaken
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position it is important that we make
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these influencers recognize the
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limitation of their freedom of speech
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particularly when it jeopardizes our
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National interest and undermines our own
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struggle in the West Philippines sea
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kasi sila nakakawawa yung ating mga
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members of the Philippine coast guard e
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talagang kailangan ng yung yung exercise
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of that pina power must be enshrined on
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cicc Mr Cher ah Chairman na bante please
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Uh the problem we have now
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no the cic has the right to investigate
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ba mot propo investigation p yon even
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complainant Ah opo Mr ch pero when it
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comes to the suen powers binabato niyo
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agencies bahala if it will lead to an
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investigation then we seek the
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assistance of Uh law enforcement
46:52.3
agencies with sapina powers So what do
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you suggest that Uh Uh this committee
46:57.7
would do for example
46:59.0
Uh to make it more ano tawag doon
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ah ' ba well based on our Experience of
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um time is of the essence if you go
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through that bureaucratic process
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delayed and Uh anything on on the net it
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takes only a matter of seconds mawawala
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or It will be covered So if we have that
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particular Uh authority then we can
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preserve the evidence pieces of
47:37.1
evidence Mr the Singapore has a Uh a law
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eh So ano Anong pagkakaiba yung yung
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ngayon does not have any tee at all Uh
47:52.8
Yes Mr chair there is the absence in our
47:56.1
loss such authority Okay maraming
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salamat sa interjection Mr Congressman
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abante because this is not your time yet
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Ako naman being the Chairman I have this
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Uh advantage Over You So pasensya ka na
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po Naka sin appreciation sinundan mo pa
48:13.2
ako Anyway Sige you can proceed
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ano Thank you Mr chair actually that is
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the end of the presentation but just to
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reiterate the request is to Grant Uh
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specific powers to issue um
48:27.5
Yes we will do that on the amendments by
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making the cicc as an agency but for now
48:33.6
siguro Uh having said that you are a
48:36.4
coordinating Center cid having the
48:39.6
supina power and the NBI Asan NBI NBI
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anan siguro anuhin muna natin tanin muna
48:45.2
natin NBI you have
48:47.5
also supina power So
48:52.2
um your coordinating um um
48:57.2
coordinating Center na created by law Uh
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Marami na ba kayong nasina
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about violation that was committed that
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we committed Yes Mr chair Actually Mr
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chair the pin power of the NBI is Uh
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ined on the creation of the NBI itself
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ra 157 and the modernization act which
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10867 so Kasama po yyung sa pina power
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sa mga authority na binigay ng congress
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sa aming ahensya that's why cic always
