Ena Mori & Moon Cairo EPISODE # 186 The Paco's Place Podcast
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Ladies and gentlemen, live at Paco's Place, Anna Mori with Cairo.
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Thank you for having us.
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I'm gonna start there. I'm a fan.
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I heard about you when I had Ellie Buendia on the podcast and we were talking about the artists offshore.
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Tapos your name came up and then after that, I started listening to your music.
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And I was, how do I say, impressed, enamored, and parang wow.
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And then ikaw naman, last time I saw you, you were a baby.
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Because I left 20 years ago.
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Tapos pabalik-balik lang ako.
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Tapos when Eon was here, you mentioned na bandmates kayo.
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But the two of you, you're a very awesome drummer, by the way.
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Right? And I was asking Ellie, who produced or did the tracks to your songs?
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Well, me and my producer, Tim, who's also my boyfriend, we worked together and we co-produced the tracks.
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He's mainly on the engineer side so she does a lot of DAWs and I do a lot of vocal arrangement and other things.
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Okay, I'm gonna start with you first. So wala tayong script, diba?
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Pag-usapan natin yung dynamics niya ni Tim.
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Because it's very interesting because si Billie Eilish, ang kapartner niya is kapatid niya.
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And sometimes ang magkapatid nag-aaway, right?
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Songwriting duo yung dalawang yan. I mean, pag nag-aaway silang dalawa, tapos ang negosyo.
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So kayo ni Tim, ano ang usapan going into your career before it came to be?
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Right. Well, I think it's a nice dynamic with me and Tim because we respect each other's creativity.
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We have different, you know, inspirations when it comes to writing music and also we have different listens.
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But we know what we like and it syncs and that's like the awesome part about me and Tim working together.
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But what it all started was, me and Tim, we were classmates in college in Binyald as music production students.
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And our finals was to make an EP.
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And I was doing my own thing, you know.
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Not yet. Not really.
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We were just kind of...
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Like, we were best friends that time.
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Yan ang mga best friends.
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But we started working.
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Well, I wanted to work with him because I knew he's an awesome producer.
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And I was a fan of his band, One Click Straight and his production.
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So, I tapped into him and yeah, we...
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At that time, we were kind of like friends, you know.
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Like, we're still...
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We kind of like each other but we haven't, you know...
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He had a huge crush on her already.
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Yeah, he had a huge crush on her.
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Hindi naman ako magtataka, okay?
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So, and then, you know...
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Wait, wait, wait. What was the first song?
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Is it on Spotify?
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Yes, it's on Spotify.
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It's called Gotcha Good.
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May exclamation point din ba to sa title?
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But it's very, I would say, college.
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You know, I just wanted to try something
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because I've never, you know, pushed myself as a songwriter
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to actually release something.
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I've always written something but it was always in the shelf.
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Like, it was a shelf music.
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And my main was...
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I was a pianist at, you know, as a main.
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So, that was branching out as a songwriter
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was very, like, out of my comfort zone.
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So, that was the first song that I released, Gotcha Good.
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But I wasn't really even planning to release it.
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I just wanted to finish my...
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thesis by doing three songs in the EP.
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So, all the three songs that I released the first three songs,
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Gotcha Good, Walk Away, and Light,
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those are, like, my college project.
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So, Gotcha Good, Walk Away, and Light.
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Anong inspirasyon mo dun sa tatlong kanta na iyon?
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I guess it was just...
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At that time, I was listening to a lot of
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pop singers that I admired, that I found interested in.
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I was very obsessed with Sigrid.
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She's a, I think, Norwegian singer.
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And she's a very good songwriter as well.
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And I was obsessed with her.
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And I wanted to study her and I wanted to, you know,
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try to understand what her production sounds like.
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Nagaling. I like the way she's talking about it.
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Cairo, the way her production sounds like.
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Oh, I like the song.
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Ikaw hindi. Nagsis second level, third level.
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Yeah, I'm just, like, microscoping.
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So, pinag-aralan mo siya and what song came out of that?
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Was it Walk Away? Was it Light? Was it Gotcha Good?
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I think a bit of everything.
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I think Light was, like, the most...
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You could hear my inspiration through her production.
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And, you know, that was kind of my reference also to Tim.
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That, you know, I think starting to write songs,
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you have to kind of know how to imitate.
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Yeah, so I think that's how I started.
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It's not always, you know, good to have, like,
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very obvious pegs because, you know,
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you want to be authentic as possible.
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But starting out, I just wanted to learn
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how to make that sound so I could kind of branch out.
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Yeah, so Light was one of the things
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that you could probably hear from...
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So, you weren't signed at this point, right?
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It was just you, Tim, coffee, kwentuhan.
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So, finally, the three songs...
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Because, you know, finals.
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Yes, thesis defense, mga gano'n.
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Pa'no nga ba nagawa ang lasal?
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If you didn't know.
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Oh, what do you mean?
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Like, pa'no na gawa yung lasal?
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Yung de lasal, pa'no na gawa yun?
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Ah, pa'no? Sorry.
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Do you know how...
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Do you know how lasal was created?
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Ah, binealed. Anyway.
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That was so, um...
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So, you had a dream, right?
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And Anna Maury is your real name?
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Actually, my actual name is Anna Villia. Villia is my last name.
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But Maury is my mom's last name.
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But see, it's still your name, right?
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Yeah, it's still my name.
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So now, what was the dream?
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And the reason why I'm asking this, this podcast is meant to inspire and inform people.
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And I want the audience to see na everything is possible.
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Because you made it happen.
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You did not wait for it to happen.
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I'll get to you, ha, Cairo?
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But you did not wait for it to happen.
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You were making it happen.
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Sleepless nights.
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Of course, may frustrations nakasama yon.
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But what was the dream?
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Actually, I really didn't think to, you know...
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My dream wasn't to become like,
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Oh, yeah, I want to be a singer-songwriter and tour everywhere.
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It wasn't really like that.
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It's more of like,
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I just want to make something that I'll be proud of when I look back.
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And it's always a challenge and always, you know, humps and bumps.
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I can't really, you know, tell what I want to do.
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You know, 10 years from now,
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I might be doing electronic music and no, you know, instrumental or, you know, whatever it may be.
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My dream is just to do what I like and possibly make living out of it.
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And, you know, just stay inspired.
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Yeah, that's really my dream.
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Paano ka na sign sa Offshore?
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I think one of the Offshore members saw my live video
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and I think they went to my gig once, which I was very nervous about.
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Do you remember who went to your gig?
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I think it was Pat.
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It was Pat and also Sam.
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When Pat and Sam came to you, were you pinching yourself?
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I was, you know, the concept of being signed in a record label is not really,
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like I wasn't established yet.
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I was almost kind of like, I'm still looking to, you know, have my sound
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and I wasn't really established yet.
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So I very like blindly, I didn't know anything.
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So it was a shock to me also that, you know, they found it, my music interesting.
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And I'm very grateful that.
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That's actually, that was actually documented.
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Ellie actually said the same thing on the podcast.
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That your music is interesting and you're interesting.
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So now dumating si Pat at si Sam, what was the conversation between you and Tim?
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Now this is getting to be real.
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Well, I've always, you know, it wasn't very like a difficult decision for me.
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You know, I didn't really have any experience.
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So I just really wanted to, you know, go for it.
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I'm glad that I did.
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Paano naman kayo nagkakilala ang dalawa?
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Was it through the label or kayong dalawa magkakilala na kayong dalawa?
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Tim's his childhood friend, kind of like related childhood friends.
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So did Tim actually tell you, I have a crush on this girl?
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Ah, I want to hear that story.
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How do guys talk about that?
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Very interesting story.
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We have a mutual friend, Nathan.
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And I'm really close with Nathan.
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I don't know if you know Nathan Hwang.
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My Nathan is your tito na eh.
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Si Nathan Azarco also.
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But yeah, we caught up one day and it was with Tim.
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And since I wasn't with them in Baniyod, I was asking like, how's music production?
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Because I was thinking of applying myself.
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And Nathan just kept calling Tim this name.
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And I was like, who in the world is Emma?
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I don't know this.
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They showed me this photo of her.
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And it was the most Japanese looking photo.
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You did not look that way.
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Were you in makeup?
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You had orange hair, ata?
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Or it was like ombre?
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Ombre was a thing, guys.
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It was a thing before.
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So you were intrigued.
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So ibig sabihin, may look na talaga si Emma nung time palang nayon.
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For Tim, I was very...
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Because I knew all the other...
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Oh, are we gonna go there?
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So I was like, whoa, okay. Cool.
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Let's go, Tim. Let's go.
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So isn't it weird na...
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Nung time na to, kabanda mo na ba si Eon nung time na to?
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Not yet, not yet.
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Isn't it weird na pag finesse forward natin, lahat kayo may degrees of separation?
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Like, you're signed to a label na pag-aari ng tatay na kabanda mo
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na dinendate niya kababata mo.
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Na ngayon, kayong dalawang magkasama.
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So, did you ever think na you'd be playing with Ena?
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I remember the first time watching Ena.
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Ena had another drummer before me.
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And I remember watching them in Saguiyo
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and it was her old songs from her EP.
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Then and there, I was such a big fan already.
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I did not know that Tim helped produce.
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I didn't know that Ena actually wrote her own songs and produced as well
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because I knew her from her old band she used to session for, Dayo.
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So, I did not know that she had her own thing.
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It was such a different music from what she used to play.
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So, it was really just something new.
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And Cairo, when you watched Ena sa Saguiyo,
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was it by chance or...
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Let me check this girl out.
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Were you there for someone else?
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I think I played.
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For either Elise or Nobody's Home.
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I'm not really sure.
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Okay, so back to back.
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I don't remember this.
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I remember that the first time that we ever worked with Cairo
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is not really my project.
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It's Tim's project.
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It gets confusing.
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Tim had his own solo project called Timothy Run
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and he needed a drummer that could possibly go to Bangkok
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to perform for that day.
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And I also had one show.
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So, we kind of just asked,
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Okay, can you just do two bands?
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Can you play for two bands?
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And then he agreed and we started rehearsing.
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And yeah, he was great.
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He's just perfect.
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He passed the audition.
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Did you know that his dad was a famous drummer?
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Well, I knew after.
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Did you know that your dad is a famous drummer?
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And that your mom is an awesome singer?
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Did you know that?
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Especially now, huh?
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You just found out today?
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Their album, Ascension, when they had their own music.
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I mean, it's a different kind of appreciation now.
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Now that I have a different appreciation for music.
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But I would go to dad's gigs a lot.
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He would bring me everywhere.
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Yeah, what do you know?
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Shout out to Tito Ryan.
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Love you, Tito Ryan.
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Yeah, he really helped
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just sort of grow my love for music in a different,
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in the right way.
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But you've been exposed to music since you were a baby.
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Actually, your mom was pregnant with you.
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She was performing.
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She was already still singing.
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I don't even know if she knew that she was pregnant.
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But then again, right?
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Is Tito Ira your ninong?
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But your time growing up and music was all around you.
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Was it natural for you to pick up the drums?
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Do you sing also?
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So when did you know that you were going to be like your dad?
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I don't really know.
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When did you know that you're better than your dad?
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I actually started in church.
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That's where they go.
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I was forced to audition with some friends.
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So I didn't really know how to play well.
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And I was playing for a couple of weeks already.
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And there was this one weekend
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that they asked the young kids to play in the adult service.
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And then dad decided to finally watch.
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And he was so confused.
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Oh, you didn't play?
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Or you didn't tell him?
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No, because I wouldn't really practice in the house.
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I didn't really like playing while he was around.
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I didn't really like to add weight.
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I mean, see, I'm taller than your dad.
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But when we're sitting together, we're kind of the same height.
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We're like drummers.
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We're just about the same height when we're sitting together.
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He's very intimidating, especially when he opens his eyes.
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Very intimidating, but very nice.
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He helped us so much for this.
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Actually, he helped us with South by Southwest
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because we needed a lot of help when it comes to gear.
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Is it just the two of you in South by Southwest?
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Usually, I have a trio band with Tim as keys.
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But Tim couldn't make it due to work conflicts.
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Me and Kyra needed to figure out how to go there.
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She had to create stems, backing tracks, all that stuff.
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He really helped us with the setup.
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The most efficient way for us to set up and set down
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because that's the struggle.
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What's the best gear to invest?
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I guess I had a good stuff.
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But the chords were messy.
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He's very organized.
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That was a big help.
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You guys are young.
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You're doing South by Southwest.
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When you found out that you were going to do South by Southwest,
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what was going through your head?
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I even forgot that my profile was sent to South by
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because I didn't expect at all.
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Actually, my manager, Ms. Odds,
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that's sitting right there,
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she submitted my profile.
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I think secretly.
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By the way, I submitted to South by South.
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Okay, never going to happen.
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I just forgot about it for months.
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When we got the invitation,
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I was just shocked.
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I don't know what to do now.
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How are we going to do this?
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It was a very big shock
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because obviously that's one of every artist.
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Top board you need.
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That's on the bucket list.
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I never thought that I'll be able to play.
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This timing after COVID,
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it was just a shock.
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You were not part of the original lineup
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or were you part of the original lineup
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to go to South by Southwest?
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When you found out that you were going,
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what was your reaction?
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When I say you, your mom, your dad.
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Because if I'm your son,
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Because none of us,
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my mom has gone to the States,
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but she was like 18.
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It was really a shock.
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The first thing that went through my head
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I study in Baguio now.
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I would go up to Baguio every Sunday night,
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have class from Monday to Wednesday.
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I go down Thursday,
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have rehearsals with her every Friday.
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And then go back up again on Sunday?
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And then have gigs with her
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like Saturdays, Sundays.
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That was my life for a month.
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But we really needed Cairo.
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Because Cairo, you know,
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well, I love, you know,
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just backing tracks and all of that.
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But me and Tim really focus on the drums
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because drums are like the
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the base of everything.
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I just really like,
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you know, he's very skillful,
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but also his patch,
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I call it a patch,
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but he had, yeah,
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because we're producers.
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His sound that he has.
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That comes from how he plays.
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it's very specific that we,
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we just think that it's perfect
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And you know what's nice about this guy
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because I've seen videos of this guy.
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Cairo, what's beautiful about you is
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is not machine-like,
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but it melds with machine,
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it melds with stems and all that,
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but it's very organic.
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Thank you so much.
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That's, well, that's the hope.
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Yeah, well, especially for Endless Music
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because the first time
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I heard, let's say, the album,
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everything was like
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and that was kind of the struggle,
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Yeah, how to humanize this.
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Especially when we sat down
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for rehearsals, Tim and I were,
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because Tim is a really great drummer as well,
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so both of us were working
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on the patterns and all that,
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Everything was really intentional,
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Everything is very intentional.
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Ang life nyo ba ganun din?
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But we're very particular,
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especially for the drums
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because everything else is back in track,
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Well, obviously, there's production
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and all of that, but it's lifeless.
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It's the same every single time,
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every single event.
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So it's your voice, I'm sorry,
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your voice and his drums
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sandwiching the stems, right?
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So yung buhay manggagaling,
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it's gonna come from your voice,
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it's gonna come from his playing.
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And then when Tim's here,
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he plays the keys,
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so we try to be...
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Not just keys, a lot of things.
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But we try to be intentional,
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especially for drums,
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and also which part to play
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and which part not to play.
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Even to the point of how to hit
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in specific sections.
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Just to get the sound that...
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Shuffle grooves are very particular.
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Very particular, yeah.
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Buying the perfect clap style
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to complement the electronic feel.
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What's in your kit,
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if you don't mind?
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So there's a basic kit.
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A basic kit, yeah.
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I use a 20-inch EFX Crash,
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23-inch Sweet Ride.
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They're all hand-me-downs from dad,
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but I really love...
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How about the electronics part?
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I have a clap stack on my left
25:31.1
and a remote hi-hat, 10-inch.
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Special recording.
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What about you, Tom?
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But for tour, there was a lot.
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Yeah, you had a djembe.
25:41.1
We also had a brush.
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Yeah, for just four bars.
25:45.1
Just for four bars.
25:46.1
What about you, Anna?
25:47.1
Do you appreciate the fact
25:48.1
that this awesome drummer,
25:52.1
is very articulated
25:54.1
even with the gear that he brings?
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We're always surprised.
25:59.6
we're always surprised
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that, oh my goodness,
26:02.6
Because I remember,
26:06.6
I think it was like a siren
26:08.6
because I wanted a siren
26:09.6
in one of the songs.
26:11.6
And then he was like,
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oh, I think I have two
26:13.6
or something like that.
26:14.6
I was looking for the maracas.
26:16.6
Oh, yeah, maracas.
26:17.6
I was like, wait,
26:18.6
maybe we can try with the maracas.
26:19.6
Shakers or something.
26:20.6
He was like, what color?
26:21.6
I have three different kinds.
26:23.6
I was like, oh my goodness.
26:26.1
Because of the drum circle business.
26:28.1
Yes, the drum circle.
26:29.1
The storage room.
26:30.1
The first time Tim and Anna
26:32.1
went to the house,
26:33.1
I brought them to the room
26:34.1
and they were like,
26:35.1
what is this place?
26:36.1
Do you make paalam?
26:41.1
But the most shocked
26:42.1
that they were with the gear
26:47.1
They were so happy
26:48.1
because we bring so much gear.
26:52.1
That was mind-blowing.
26:55.6
I should have done that.
26:59.6
Do you bring keyboards?
27:02.6
I bought a new keyboard
27:04.6
just to bring here
27:05.6
because my keyboard,
27:06.6
I use the Nektar Paranormal.
27:09.6
Yeah, but it's very heavy.
27:12.6
So I was like, okay,
27:13.6
I cannot just carry this around.
27:16.6
So I just got Innovation.
27:20.6
A MIDI controller.
27:21.6
Very nice MIDI controller.
27:25.1
through Marketplace.
27:34.1
for all of my patches
27:35.1
because Tim uses Reason
27:38.1
and I have to compliment that.
27:41.1
So I just have to
27:44.1
use that for my DAO.
27:49.1
you guys are here.
27:52.1
I know our podcast is short
27:53.6
because you guys have to go
27:55.6
But what's next for you?
27:57.6
What's next for you?
27:58.6
Let's start with you.
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You first, Cairo.
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What's your plan?
28:06.6
Are you going to go full-time
28:14.6
even before playing for Anna,
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because I came out of the pandemic
28:19.6
and then they asked me
28:25.1
I didn't really want to do
28:27.1
until they asked.
28:31.1
You really didn't want
28:32.1
to do music anymore?
28:33.1
What were you planning on doing?
28:36.1
Just try something.
28:37.1
Because I was exposed to music
28:39.1
You were desensitized.
28:49.6
Yeah, Anna and Tim, actually.
28:53.6
We did one wish bus,
28:57.6
Then they went to my place,
28:59.6
and then we just had
29:01.6
Was that a reawakening
29:05.6
Not just that talk,
29:06.6
but even listening
29:08.6
a lot of the songs,
29:14.6
and just resonating
29:17.1
Especially what I was
29:23.1
I can't really say
29:25.1
right now that I could
29:27.1
pursue it full-time.
29:31.1
In the Philippines,
29:32.1
it's kind of hard
29:33.1
to have it as your
29:35.1
and to put everything
29:49.6
this conversation
29:50.6
with both of you,
29:51.6
especially with you,
29:54.6
not really that big.
29:56.6
to have something
29:57.6
that when you look back,
30:01.6
That was years ago.
30:04.6
How proud are you?
30:07.6
is brought to you by
30:08.6
Dr. Lourdes Capulon.
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I'm really proud.
30:19.1
it's something that I just
30:24.1
I'm still in shock
30:25.1
that we actually performed
30:27.1
in South by Southwest.
30:29.1
really sinking in.
30:30.1
I was more focused on
30:43.1
classical pianist
30:50.1
or somebody's backup
30:51.1
or something like that.
30:58.1
a little bit more
31:05.1
I still don't know
31:06.1
what's going to happen
31:10.1
I might take a break
31:12.1
but as much as I can,
31:21.1
To the young kids
31:23.1
they need a ton of excuse
31:25.1
before they start doing
31:28.1
You guys are testament
31:31.1
to taking the first step
31:33.1
and then being picked up
31:36.1
What's your advice
31:43.1
to chase their dreams?
31:46.1
I just want them to know
31:47.1
that I was like that too.
31:54.1
little hesitation
31:57.1
because it's a dream.
32:03.1
I was really scared
32:05.1
when I was starting college.
32:06.1
I wanted to do that
32:08.1
but I never touched it.
32:10.1
I thought I would
32:11.1
never be able to do it.
32:14.1
I guess just loosen up
32:18.1
kind of my mindset.
32:27.1
That's how it started
32:31.1
I just released it
32:32.1
without really thinking
32:33.1
much of anything.
32:37.1
kind of getting into it
32:38.1
because it's really hard
32:39.1
to do something new
32:41.1
when you overthink
32:44.1
because it just becomes
32:51.1
anymore at that point.
32:52.1
You will just think
32:54.1
is this good enough?
32:56.1
Is this going to match
32:57.1
the standard of whatever?
33:14.1
it's going to haunt you
33:17.1
because it won't.
33:18.1
It will be like a
33:20.1
good learning curve
33:25.1
other people's opinions
33:35.1
Okay, ladies and gentlemen
33:40.1
Thank you so much.
33:43.1
We'll have you back
33:49.1
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33:53.1
And Nobody's Homeboy
33:54.1
is also on Spotify.
33:56.1
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33:57.1
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34:05.1
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