Chris Tan & Richard Heydarian: CHINA BULLYING, WPS, & BEING CHINOY
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not that that's a high bar.
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Ang tanong ko dito is, how does it feel to be Chinoy nowadays?
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This is always where, because I have a lot of Chinoy friends.
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My first friends in Baguio back in the day were Chinoy.
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My first girlfriend was a Chinoy.
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So I always talk to them about, do they feel they're between a rock and a hard place?
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There's the Communist Party of China.
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And then there's xenophobia and all of that there.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that, Chris?
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Gusto kang pagiging Chinoy nowadays?
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Alam mo, sa akin, when I grew up talaga,
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I never really looked at myself as any different than anyone else
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when it comes to ethnicity.
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I've always believed, and I've looked at myself as a Filipino.
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So yung pagka-Chinese ko was,
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I've always looked at it as part of being,
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Kasi if you look at naman Filipino culture,
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Filipino culture is a mix of a lot of different cultures.
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We get a lot of our American influences,
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Spanish influences, and Chinese influences.
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And not just that,
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siguro over 50% of the entire Philippine population,
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May konting Chinese, may konting Spanish,
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may konting iba't-ibang races.
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And that's why if you look at Filipinos,
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we all look different eh.
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So it's just degrees of which,
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how much Chinese blood do you have,
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or how much Spanish blood do you have.
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Ikaw, do you have like,
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what are you, Spanish?
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That's the point.
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yung purong dugo,
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is complete nonsense, right?
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I mean, that's proven.
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Anyone can take a DNA test today,
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that will prove you there's no such thing as a purong dugo, right?
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You go to any random country,
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you know that there were 10 different tribes and all that came in.
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So yeah, I think definitely,
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you got a point there.
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But the thing kasi,
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I'm asking Chris about this is because the West Philippine issue
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really puts our Chinoy brothers and sisters in a tough situation
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in the sense that you had a senator recently suggesting that,
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you know, the Chinoy should make it clear saan yung kanilang allegiance,
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which I thought is an offensive question.
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Like, obviously, they're Chinoys, they're Filipinos, right?
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More than anything else, right?
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So to have that kind of very problematic rhetoric
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of essentially collective,
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I won't say collective punishment,
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but kind of a collective judgment,
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which I, because, you know,
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Chinoys just like any Filipino have diversity of opinion.
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You can put 10 Chinoys together that you get 15 Filipinos probably, right?
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So the idea of like doing a loyalty test and all,
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I think it's just super inappropriate,
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problematic, and frankly, even racist to a certain degree,
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although I don't believe in race as people colloquially understand.
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How do you approach that?
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I mean, and when you talk about China,
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the reason I have no problem with you of someone,
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Chinoys, saying things critical of China is because I was based in Taiwan before.
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I was there in Hong Kong when, you know, the protests were there.
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These were Chinese people against China.
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So I have no problem with that.
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But I think a lot of people are not educated enough to realize that the Chinese civilization,
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the Chinese people are amazing people of diversity.
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You know, even inside China, if there were freedom, you'll get, you'll get different views.
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As a matter of fact, I know, I think people mistake kasi and blame the Chinese people
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for what the Chinese government is doing.
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It's the government that's an idiot.
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Or the Communist Party specifically.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Under the current leadership is really trying to expand their empire by what they do.
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And they're doing it in a very subtle way.
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They're doing it with money.
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They're doing it with force.
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They're doing it, you know, by, you know, it's almost like a blackmail how they do it.
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It's and when people, I'm actually curious,
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sino yung senador na yun, just for my own sake lang, sino yun, nagsabi nun?
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Yeah, let me double check, because I want to make sure.
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I knew that that was raised, but I want to make sure which senators in particular.
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But I mean, if you look at the rhetoric of the top senators,
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you know, I mean, people are openly saying things that have very problematic.
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Yeah, yeah, it's okay if you, you know, I don't want, I don't want you to misquote anyone.
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But I'll send you, because I get the direct quote here.
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Yeah, so, so for me, you know,
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I find it amusing more than anything na may mga Filipinos diyan na would say to me,
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Chinese ka? Bakit? Bakit ginakalaban mo ang sarili mong lahi?
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They forget, etnicity is not your nationality.
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That's your ethnicity, but that's not your nationality.
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My nationality is Filipino.
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And, you know, my ethnicity is Filipino Chinese but my nationality is Filipino.
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So for people to say that is very ignorant.
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But again, he's the one who has the right to say that.
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But again, he's the one who has the right to say that.
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So for people to say that is very ignorant. But again, he's the one who has the right to say that.
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hindi ako nagigalad sa kanila
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Natatawa na lang ako
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because I'm just like,
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I think it says more about them
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than it says about me.
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May iba nga dyan nakakatawa
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bumalik na lang daw kung China
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I'm against what's happening
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and you're telling me
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to go back to China.
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What the heck's wrong with you?
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with any of the discussions.
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That's why for me,
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I don't take offense to it.
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I do look at myself
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than I do see myself
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a lot of Chinese traditions,
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especially within my family
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and I wish I could speak Chinese
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to be honest with you
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kasi it's good lang for commerce.
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But even when I grew up,
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I moved to Canada kasi
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When people ask me
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what my nationality is,
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I would say Filipino,
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I'm very proud of that.
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And I actually would,
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a Filipino community
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and a Filipino community
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and a Filipino Chinese community.
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So there's two communities there.
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I've never looked at
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Filipino as different from me.
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I look at everyone the same,
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or you're Eurasian,
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look at all these Filipinos.
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But they're Filipinos.
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And that's what I love about the Philippines.
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We can talk about all these people.
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They could easily pass
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within Latin America.
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the reason I'm asking this question,
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I don't want to put you on the spot,
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I know for a fact,
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there are some folks,
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I'm not generalizing,
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but there are some Chinoise
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who would rather say they're Chinese
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when they're abroad,
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or there's some Chinoise
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that I know for a fact that,
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they're so proud of China
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becoming a global superpower,
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and they always talk about
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100 years of humiliation
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and stuff like that.
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Chinay friends who,
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are defending what Duterte was doing.
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how do you feel about that?
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who supported Duterte,
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it had to do with the fact
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that he wanted better relationship
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with mainland China.
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a lot of that also had to do
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China is a big market,
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a lot of big Filipino businessmen
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are involved in China,
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ayaw lang nila ng gulo.
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It's not because they're pro-China.
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that creates some
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have you had debates
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with your fellow Chinoise
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some different idea on this?
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the reason I'm saying this is,
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I noticed there are
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like some Chinoise friends
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whose views on Ukraine war
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Russia than America,
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Or their views on
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Gaza and conflict is probably,
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you get what I'm saying,
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Because a lot of people,
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maybe I know more about
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your community than yourself,
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the other thing we're looking at,
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because I was in Singapore
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and I was talking to our friends
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in Washington Post,
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and there are this
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discussion in Singapore
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about the Chinese language radio
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newspapers in Singapore
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and how they're increasingly
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towing the Communist Party
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and the greater Chinese people,
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this blaring the distinction
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Chinese ethnicity
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and Chinese nationalism
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and all of those things,
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that's a concern in Singapore
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and Singapore is a Chinese
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majority country,
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so they had to make
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a hundred million dollar
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Singaporean Chinese cultural center
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to distinguish themselves
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from mainland China.
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I used to believe
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who have a very different
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conception of themselves,
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although they see themselves
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but Taiwanese Chinese,
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have you had debates
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who may be a little bit
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the reason I'm saying this, Chris,
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marami rin mga kalokohan
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ng mga kanod sa Pilipinas.
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Marami rin silang mali
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yung mga Western powers.
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They did a lot of horrible things
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not only to China,
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they did to Philippines.
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may mga sinasabi si Digong
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na hindi naman totally wrong.
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that really happened.
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They massacred the whole town.
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It's not like these,
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this Western people
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were like knight in shining armor,
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if you look at the evidence.
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many people are surprised how,
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why are Filipinos so pro-American
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how much is US really helping
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They're giving 70 billion
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20 billion again to Israel.
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They're giving barely 1 billion
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to the Philippines
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you get what I'm saying, right?
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I understand if South Orochino,
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not also the rest,
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maybe it's time to be more open
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to the other rising powers,
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where I'm coming from.
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This is not about just
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the Chinay community,
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around the world.
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I like to look at things
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and break it down
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to the most simple
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The simplest thought is this.
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what China is doing.
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What they're doing
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it is not friendly at all,
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bigger power than us
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and that is already wrong.
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By that action alone,
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I'd rather go with
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the United States
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who's not doing that.
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So, I'm just talking about now.
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Not talking about the past.
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I'm talking about now.
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If you look at it
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from that perspective,
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and you'd rather be
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with the US than with China
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isn't going to say,
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put their own ships
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you can't fish here.
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Throw water cannons at us.
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people have said,
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has done this in the past.
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simplify everything.
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kung meron akong kapit-baha
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binibigyan ako ng aid.
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sinasabi sa akin,
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lumabas sa sarili kong bahay.
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Binubully niya ako.
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I'm not going to allow that.
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Diba, yun lang yun eh.
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So, people are trying
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to complicate the issue.
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Mudding the water.
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Mudding the water.
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Just to cover for the
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bullying and all.
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So, that's the problem
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with the narrative
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that China is pushing.
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I don't know if you,
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did you see this?
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after the water cannon incident,
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Chinese propaganda posts
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one after the other
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the Chinese is protesting
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and that they have
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expressed restraint
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and the Filipino,
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Filipino Coast Guard
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in Chinese waters
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and we are protecting
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Ang galing nung ginawa
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Spreading all that
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on all social media
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water cannon blast.
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Elon Musk has a big
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Tesla factory in Shanghai,
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Which raises questions
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this is owned by Elon Musk,
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friends in DC and all
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are asking serious questions.
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is he potentially
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an influence agent
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for America, right?
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I talked to Henry Kissinger
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earlier this year,
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before he turned out.
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and I have friends
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like being too pro-China,
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Kissinger was in Beijing
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earlier this year
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Digong was there.
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Digong situation?
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I have Chinese blood.
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He's talking about
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What was that all about
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I was so embarrassed.
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a Filipino that time
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because I watched
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He was practically
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insane things he did
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Huwag tayong lalaban,
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mamamatay tayong lahat.
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Napapamura talaga ako dyan eh.
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Then people would,
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huwag tayong lumaban,
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hayaan na lang natin
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that doesn't mean
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that if you're gonna
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against what China's doing
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that there's war.
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False choices yan, yeah.
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and they make it a black and white situation
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that if I speak out
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there are a lot of diplomatic avenues
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that can be taken
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to force China to stop
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that we have not even taken yet.
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Pero I'm glad lang
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and his government
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that gives me hope
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na there's sanity
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in this government.
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The fact that you have
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Marcus Jr. right now
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he's not doing too bad
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at least on the foreign policy front.
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is that a confusing thing to you?
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it's like common sense lang.
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on domestic issues
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but this is a matter
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of national interest.
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he's our president after all.
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this is the thing about me.
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I have never been one
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based on who they are
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but on what they do.
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And what they represent.
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I will also call out
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that his interest
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he owns a school,
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have already been changed.
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have already been changed
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on how they describe
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And the atrocities.
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Dinagal na yung atrocities.
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I've always looked at
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as somebody who is
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improve his image
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to a lot of the businessmen.
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to the businessmen.
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that's why he's creating
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policies that he believes
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business to the Philippines.
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he's pro-America,
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West Philippine Sea
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it looks good on him.
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and he does listen
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to a lot of the people
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he's enjoying traveling
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He doesn't want to bother
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with those details.
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if you believe it's good,
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May ganun siya eh.
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that's a good thing about him.
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I think he's actually harmless
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if you've come from
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such a low place,
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than where we came from.
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from negative 10.
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we do better than
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zero or five out of 10,
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BBM is five or zero,
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but I'm just saying,
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relative comparisons are good
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but hopefully we can,
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he still has four or five years there.
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even if you were to argue
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that this is about
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his family interest,
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to doing the right thing,
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Let's encourage him,
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hindi naman siya,
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Last time I checked,
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As a matter of fact,
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I'll tell you what I appreciated
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I was like thinking,
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will the DOJ secretary
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naman who the mastermind is.
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He's the middleman.
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ang tapang ni Bantag
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that he's not in jail
17:55.2
because there's a bigger fish
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that people are still
18:01.9
what I appreciated
18:04.1
administration was
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against a bigger fish
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And I have a lot of respect
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they did for Mandaluyong
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and Benher Abaloses.
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DILG secretary right now,
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I think he's doing his job.
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He's doing it well.
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campaign manager of Marcos.
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The former campaign manager
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I think he's just,
18:35.4
a lot of people around Marcos
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are trying to do their job.
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And I appreciate that.
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I give them points
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that they're doing right.
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But I'll call out
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they're doing wrong.
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parang nakikita ko
19:01.4
executive direction.
19:07.3
co-equal branch of government.
19:09.7
Judicial disappeared.
19:16.3
it was practically
19:17.6
a authoritarian government.
19:19.9
So that's the difference.
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And last for this episode,
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what do you think about
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unlike the celebrity breakups,
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it's not very formalized
19:30.4
but I think we more or less
19:31.4
know what's going on.
19:32.5
How do you feel about
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tiger versus eagle?
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No fences in zoo situation?
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some people miscalculate
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including the former president
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thinking he's still so powerful
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the administration
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not thinking there'll be
19:47.2
there'll be a response.
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He's gonna be schooled.
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a marriage of convenience
19:53.7
at the very start.
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Marcos knew all along
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saying all these things about him
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that he's a drug addict,
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he's a weak president,
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and all of those things.
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he never forgot that.
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He was just waiting
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for the right time.
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a lot of the people
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don't like Duterte
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and they don't like
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because they see how
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can really destroy
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I actually don't even
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maybe I'm ignorant of this
20:36.5
but parang the corruption now
20:38.3
is a lot less than
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what it was during the time
20:41.4
And I think that Marcos
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is not interested
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the way Duterte did it
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for his cronyism.
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Well, does he even need it?
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I mean, you mentioned
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I think it's this.
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well, at least I'm not
20:59.3
that's come out yet.
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I think he's more interested
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in spending the money
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of the government
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just siphoning it
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I think he's more interested
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He's already sold.
21:12.7
He's already sold.
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Remember, he already
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He's already sold.
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He doesn't need it.
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Pero if he can spend
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the 10 billion a year
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on the confidential funds
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and in his travels,
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it's paid by the government.
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first-class hotels
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I mean, if he can spend that
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with the taxpayers' money,
21:36.2
because he doesn't see
21:37.3
anything wrong with it
21:38.0
because there's a budget for it.
21:39.3
I think that's it.
21:40.4
I think that's pretty much it.
21:42.0
The people around him,
21:43.1
I'm sure there's still
21:43.9
corruption in the
21:44.7
Department of Agriculture,
21:46.1
especially when he allows
21:47.0
the cartels to take over
21:48.6
and he doesn't appoint
21:49.4
the people around him.
21:49.8
an agriculture secretary
21:53.4
Aquaculture secretary.
21:56.4
the agriculture secretary...
21:57.8
The diploma is fake.
22:01.1
fake diploma industry?
22:15.6
you're quite young.
22:19.8
you don't look like
22:22.0
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:22.3
He's my batchmate.
22:23.3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:31.8
I don't know if you understand.
22:32.6
How was he as a classmate?
22:34.2
Was he a geeky type?
22:35.3
Like, other savior guys?
22:36.4
Was he like math guy?
22:39.6
Kiko was part of the...
22:43.4
parang the groups,
22:48.4
that pag sinabing,
22:49.8
savior sila yung mga
22:53.1
But I've never had an issue
22:57.8
I don't know if he remembers me.
22:59.7
But he recognizes me.
23:03.5
We're friends on Facebook.
23:06.8
I just don't think
23:09.5
with a lot of vested interest
23:11.8
as the agriculture secretary.
23:17.7
and powerful businessman
23:21.7
his vested interest
23:26.0
an agriculture secretary.
23:27.0
I hope he doesn't.
23:27.9
I want to give him
23:28.5
the benefit of the doubt.
23:31.1
Nag-divest naman daw siya eh.
23:34.1
tick the boxes naman daw.
23:35.3
But you're saying
23:35.9
hopefully the conflict of interest
23:37.1
doesn't get in the way of him
23:38.8
translating his entrepreneurial skills
23:41.3
into being a good secretary
23:42.8
of agriculture, right?
23:45.0
I mean, that's...
23:47.2
I don't want to say much
23:51.6
ayaw mo pa hamak.
23:53.7
No, it's just na nila.
23:54.4
Para union na kayo soon
23:57.8
I haven't seen him in a while.
23:59.5
but I've seen my batchmates.
24:00.7
We had a Christmas reunion.
24:02.3
Maybe you want to see him now.
24:03.9
he's a big guy now.
24:06.6
Well, he's always been like,
24:08.6
being department head
24:09.9
was never a big deal
24:13.4
He's a billionaire entrepreneur.
24:16.2
International Tuna Association.
24:21.2
Yeah, Fra Bell is
24:22.2
a very big company.
24:24.9
But he's always been...
24:26.7
His family's always been wealthy.
24:28.0
They've always been
24:28.4
in that business.
24:33.8
I will always give everyone
24:35.6
the benefit of the doubt.
24:38.1
I gave the benefit
24:42.1
it was just too much.
24:43.7
too much insanity.
24:46.1
Well, I gave him two
24:47.0
in terms of foreign policy.
24:49.4
We diversify our foreign relations
24:51.1
not just on one superpower.
24:53.2
I'm all for that.
24:54.1
But execution matters.
24:57.1
Not only good rhetoric
24:58.0
of independent foreign policy.
25:00.4
So, you know what?
25:02.0
When you talk about
25:03.4
when it comes to China,
25:04.7
ang nakita kong ginagawa niya,
25:07.1
he was playing ball
25:08.7
Nothing wrong with that.
25:10.4
he was making deals
25:15.3
to the Philippines.
25:16.7
Yung inutang niya sa China
25:19.0
10 times higher interest
25:22.2
and other countries
25:25.9
Let's say the interest rate
25:26.8
Japan was giving us
25:33.0
And he allowed that.
25:36.0
We had smart enough people
25:38.3
for those nonsense.
25:42.6
because nothing came in.
25:43.8
Hanggang pledge lang.
25:44.9
Ang pumasok is Pogo.
25:48.3
Yun lang pumasok.
25:50.2
Whoa, that's crazy.
25:54.5
Like I watch Pogos
26:02.3
Andami akong narinig
26:08.6
nag-trabaho siya sa Pogo.
26:11.3
yung boss nila doon
26:12.4
pinapapunta siya sa kwarto
26:16.7
nung guard siya na kumatok
26:17.9
pinagulpi niya yung
26:19.8
And nobody in that
26:21.0
building said anything.
26:25.0
Chinese mafia people
26:36.6
money laundering,
26:41.3
because of these Pogos.
26:43.2
And then people were saying
26:44.1
they're bringing in revenue.
26:47.3
They're not paying taxes, man.
26:49.3
Yeah, may kapalit yan.
26:50.8
We're losing a lot of other business
26:52.7
because of these Pogos.
26:54.3
We're gonna gain more business.
26:56.4
And the location, right?
26:57.0
Yung mga location ng Pogos,
26:58.1
this could have been investment
26:58.9
for startup companies,
27:00.7
some high-techs, etc.
27:05.1
please go ahead, Chris.
27:06.1
You wanna say something?
27:07.1
And I wanted to say also
27:08.2
that economically,
27:10.1
the Pogos kamingin
27:11.0
is that it inflated
27:12.1
the prices of real estate
27:14.1
that it's now unaffordable
27:14.9
for a lot of Filipinos.
27:17.9
there's a lot of condos,
27:18.9
a lot of Pogos out there.
27:20.9
nobody's inside these condos.
27:23.7
these Chinese people,
27:25.5
the Pogos are buying up
27:28.4
tapos rent is so high
27:30.7
Money laundering.
27:32.7
Exactly, yeah, yeah.
27:34.2
yeah, so that's the problem.
27:35.5
Philippines, I think,
27:35.9
has the second highest
27:37.9
in Southeast Asia
27:38.8
just after Singapore
27:39.7
or something like that.
27:40.8
We're getting up there, yeah.
27:42.4
We're getting up there now.
27:43.3
For a country so poor,
27:44.3
a park capital of $4,000
27:45.7
having million-dollar properties,
27:50.8
everywhere is affected.
27:51.8
So, it's really crazy.
27:53.3
You're absolutely right about that.
27:55.4
this was fantastic.
27:56.3
I really enjoyed this discussion.
27:57.9
I look forward to discussing
27:59.1
even more things.
28:00.5
we have to put a day
28:01.4
separately for the Bitcoin one
28:03.0
because I don't want to
28:05.7
with all the people now.
28:07.1
We're going to do
28:07.9
one and a half hour,
28:09.3
two episodes only.
28:10.5
that's like three episodes
28:11.7
with other people.
28:15.9
I'm telling you, right?
28:18.1
I didn't realize.
28:18.7
We're going to do it
28:19.1
one and a half hours
28:19.8
just for two episodes.
28:22.4
I'm going to chop it
28:23.4
into more episodes
28:24.3
because I think this could be
28:25.2
three or four episodes
28:27.1
let's come back soon,
28:29.1
before the end of the year.
28:30.1
Let's have Bitcoin,
28:31.8
big discussions about
28:33.2
things to look forward to
28:36.5
some motivational,
28:37.8
stoic discussions.
28:39.5
Thank you so much,
28:42.0
that so many people
28:42.5
are here with you.
28:43.8
to those who support us,
28:45.8
to Ma'am Jocelyn Lumberio,
28:49.3
na kaibigan natin
28:50.0
sa masaborda sa atin,
28:54.1
Andami mga questions dito,
28:56.8
In FU tayong dalawa.
29:00.2
we're Hall of Fame, man.
29:01.6
I'm proud of that.
29:02.7
Salamat sa mga ka-DDS
29:04.8
also attacking us
29:07.1
the final version of this,
29:08.9
will be out soon.
29:10.3
also look for a version of it
29:14.2
because this is a
29:15.8
it's just a collaborative
29:18.7
intellectual product.
29:21.7
where can people follow you?
29:22.8
Just in case may mga followers tayo
29:24.4
who haven't come across
29:26.0
your illuminating
29:31.0
you can follow me there
29:43.6
for short form naman,
29:46.0
I am Chris Tan as well.
29:50.9
it's Coach Chris Tan.
29:52.8
those are the platforms
29:53.6
you can follow me on.
29:55.4
what are the things
29:56.0
they can look at?
29:56.5
Thank you also kay Ma'am Eden alone.
29:58.1
what are the things
30:00.0
what are the things
30:00.7
they can look forward to
30:02.3
aside from politics?
30:04.5
you're hearing now.
30:07.2
aside from politics,
30:08.1
I really love injecting
30:09.4
a lot of societal issues
30:11.4
that we're facing
30:12.7
and in the Philippines.
30:15.7
if I can help Filipinos talaga
30:17.5
become financially,
30:19.6
that's really a dream of mine.
30:21.4
Financial literacy.
30:22.9
financial literacy.
30:24.0
kulang talaga tayo
30:24.7
with financial literacy.
30:26.1
You're pulling your Chinoy,
30:27.8
your Chinoy card there.
30:29.3
I'll pull my Ilocano card.
30:31.4
talk about saving money.
30:34.9
that's important.
30:37.3
if they want content
30:38.4
that's gonna help them think,
30:42.3
better critical thinkers
30:43.7
and be more self-aware,
30:45.8
follow me on all my channels.
30:47.7
Thank you very much,
30:49.8
stay in the country,
30:51.7
There's still reason
30:52.4
to stay in the country
30:53.3
because there are many people
30:54.2
who are still enjoying this content.
30:57.7
that this is just
30:58.4
the beginning of an era,
31:00.9
intellectual discussion.
31:03.3
We were too busy.
31:04.0
We didn't pay attention
31:06.9
now that we're paying attention
31:08.4
I can see myself,
31:10.7
analytics and all
31:12.7
this kind of content.
31:14.7
for a fantastic collaboration.
31:16.4
Looking forward to joining you
31:17.4
maybe every other week or so
31:19.0
so that we can make this
31:19.7
something more regular.
31:21.8
And then we can bring
31:25.5
this is the Joe Rogan way.
31:26.8
Bring the four guys in,
31:29.2
I'm a mixed martial arts guy.
31:30.7
Maybe we can do a UFC
31:32.1
kind of discussion
31:35.0
Thank you very much,
