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aba, bago na to, ano ba ito?
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Sabi ko, aba, BTS yan, made in Korea yan, yung mga gano'n, di ba?
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Kasi usually, mayroon tayong mga steer type, nakaka-Philippines, dilapidated, backward type.
00:43.6
So, I think in terms of Philippine Navy, I think they have done a good job
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and na-share ko rin yung mga updates pagdating sa capacity nila, capability nila.
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And lalong-lalo na yung nangyayari ng joint patrols,
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nakita nila na may mga barko din tayo maganda, hindi yung mga kulay-alat lang.
00:57.0
Kasi I always say, you can play the David versus Goliath game kung mukhang may laban ka.
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Kasi let's not forget, David, if you follow the statue there in Florence,
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was a strong, good-looking guy.
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I mean, may laban ka. Kasi iba yung kawawa, iba yung David.
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Yung David, underdog ka, pero may laban ka.
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So, pagdating sa Philippine Navy na pansin ko,
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the reason I'm explaining is because may separate interviews tayo with Philippine Navy,
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people from National Security Council.
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Can you tell us a little bit about Philippine Coast Guard?
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Yung size ng ating mga barko, how does it compare with what we had before,
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but also how it compares with the region?
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Kasi may mga guests tayo before, especially may other programs na sinasabi.
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The Philippine Coast Guard went from almost non-existent a generation ago
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to actually the leading Coast Guard force in ASEAN.
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Some would put it that way.
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What is the real score pagdating sa Philippine Coast Guard
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to the degree that you can share now in the confidential?
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Well, para malaman nila David tayo, hindi lang yung Philippine Navy,
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pati yung Philippine Coast Guard.
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I mean, for the Philippine Coast Guard, fairly, we can say we are the David.
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Still good-looking, nice tone of muscle, pero not as big as the Goliath.
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I can say na good-looking with nice-toned muscle,
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kasi ang mga barko natin, hindi naman ito second-hand.
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All of our vessels are brand new.
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All of these vessels came from Japan.
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That's the 1044-meter vessels, and that's the 297 meters that we have.
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And then, we also have French vessels.
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The 83-meter, ito yung tinatawag nating Gabriela-Sela, and also the 24-meter vessels.
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Ito yung mga flagship na itong mga ito?
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Actually, ang flagship na natin na masasabi ng Coast Guard are the biggest vessels that we have.
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That's the 97-meter.
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Yes, Teresa Magbanua and Melchor Aquino.
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Mga mga babayang pangalan.
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I mean, that's really something.
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No, that's really something, right?
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Hindi lang, David, Spartan.
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Amazona na ito, eh.
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But if you're going to compare it with China,
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although we can not, you know, because of the limitation of logistics,
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we cannot always deploy the bigger ones, no?
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The 97-meters and the 83-meters.
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So, what you can see from the resupply mission,
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we're always only deploying the 44-meter vessels.
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So, the 44-meter vessels, ito yung nakikita.
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Ito nila, maliit, pero mabilis, no?
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And then, the 97-meters, kumakita nilang malaki,
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pero these are still smaller compared to the Chinese Coast Guard vessels.
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Once we deploy the 97-meter vessel,
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they can still deploy 110, 115-meters na mga bargo.
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So, in short, we remain to be Goliath, David,
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and they are still the Goliath
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because they have bigger vessels,
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they have more number of vessels,
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for example, we deploy two 44-meter vessels
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to support the resupply mission.
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We can expect somewhere between
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four to six Chinese Coast Guard vessels
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ang ide-deploy nila instead.
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But if you're going to become a Coast Guard
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that uses your water cannon
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to prevent an illegitimate operation
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and endanger the lives of people,
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definitely, you're not a Coast Guard organization already.
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So, I don't want to compare,
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the ASEAN Coast Guard with that identity of the Chinese Coast Guard.
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I think they are deviant and...
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Wait, kung retired lang,
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ang sinasabi mo dito, fake yung Coast Guard nila,
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na talagang parang navy nila yan?
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Kung papanggap lang na mukhang mabait lang na Coast Guard?
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And there were even reports,
04:41.7
that some of the retired PLA Navy warships
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were just basically painted white
04:47.2
and commissioned to the Chinese Coast Guard.
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So, and also the structure itself,
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it's part of the Chinese Military Commission.
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So, and also the structure itself, it's part of the Chinese Military Commission.
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So, and also the structure itself, it's part of the Chinese Military Commission.
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So, and also the structure itself, it's part of the Chinese Military Commission.
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So, for me, we cannot really say
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that the Coast Guard identity for the Philippines,
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Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and even Japan,
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doesn't align with the identity of what the China Coast Guard is.
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So, in short, ang sinasabi mo,
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you scratch a Chinese Coast Guard,
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you'll get a Chinese Navy.
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I mean, literally, in this sense, literally,
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kasi kung pinulayan lang nila yan, eh, diba?
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So, ano yung operational implication na ito na
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when it comes to the Navy?
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When it comes to dealing with China,
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you have to modernize the Philippine Navy,
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you have to modernize the Philippine Coast Guard,
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the two have to coordinate more.
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Is the idea of joint Coast Guard patrols
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also something that we have to look at this point?
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Kasi meron tayong mga joint patrols ng Philippine Navy
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with the US Navy,
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with the Japanese-Australian Navy.
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Should we also look at more patrols?
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I mean, I remember last year, was it June or July,
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meron tayong first trilateral with Japan and US.
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Dito rin, medyo malapit sa South China Sea area.
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But they're looking at that also as emerging,
05:53.4
as a, I know it's a policy question,
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maybe it's beyond your pay grade,
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but from your understanding,
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put your scholarly hat as a security expert,
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do you think that could be also the direction of things?
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Because ang sinasabi mo is,
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deviant yung China, to put it nicely.
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I mean, bully sila, diba?
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They're violating every basic principle
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of what a Coast Guard should stand for,
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not to mention principles of international law.
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On a one-to-one basis, mas malaki sila sa ating lahat,
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assuming, I mean, they're not even really a real Coast Guard.
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So, obviously, there has to be a kind of a multilateral response.
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Well, gaya na sila mo, Richard, no?
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Last year, we had the first trilateral Coast Guard exercise
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between the US Coast Guard, the Japanese Coast Guard,
06:33.6
and the Poping Coast Guard.
06:36.3
If the question is,
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is the incoming, upcoming trilateral exercise
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between these three countries will be happening
06:45.1
also pretty much the same outside the exclusive economic zone?
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Kasi alam naman natin.
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Within territorial sea, wala na natin.
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I think that's something that can be considered
06:59.0
as a good development as United States
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and the Japanese government support our position
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in the West Philippine Sea.
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But again, we cannot tell until the department...
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Yeah, it's a policy question.
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And I don't want to put you on the spot.
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I know it's a policy question.
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But the thing is, I'm just seeing yung direction of the wind, diba?
07:17.4
Itong balikatan this year was really unprecedented.
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Mayroon tayong exercises sa may kakiyan,
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na medyo may kinalawan sa Taiwan,
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although of course not as overtly as some people put it.
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And then of course, yung first time,
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meron tayong trilateral patrols with France.
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Even the French were involved in these Southeast patrols
07:32.6
in the South China Sea.
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So the idea is, naturally, perhaps,
07:37.1
you could see also the same thing on the Coast Guard front.
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I mean, that's where my question is coming.
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Pwede natin balikan ng konti kasi sorry dun sa mga nagla-live.
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Medyo nagka-cut yung ang taas kasi ng quality.
07:50.9
Can you tell us a little bit again?
07:52.3
About aning capacity ng Philippine Coast Guard as it stands?
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Kasi sabi ko nga, pagdating sa Philippine Navy,
07:58.2
medyo mukhang maayos ayos na yung mga warships nila.
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And they're acquiring more, they're looking at submarines.
08:03.4
The Philippine Coast Guard, do you have like world-class vessels
08:08.3
who can go into the high seas and do the patrols with other countries
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and make us look good?
08:12.8
Well, right now, to be honest with you, we have three of those Coast Guard vessels.
08:17.2
So what are these three?
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Again, ulit na natin.
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8301, 9701, and 9702.
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So dalawang 97, isang 83.
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Ano yung mga pangalan nila?
08:25.3
BRP Tereso Magbanua, BRP Melchor Aquino, and BRP Gabriela Silang.
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It should be Amazon, hindi na David.
08:34.3
I think David yung Navy kayo, Amazon.
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I mean, these are all the…
08:36.3
Honestly, ako, natouch ako when nakita ko yung mga pangalan.
08:37.3
Again, we have to emphasize it.
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And I'm sure people can Google it and see online.
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These are beautiful vessels.
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I've seen them in person.
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I've dropped by them.
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I mean, we know we're never there.
08:46.3
I mean, we know we're never there.
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I mean, we know we're never gonna be as big as China for understandable reasons, but
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it's good to know that we have those kinds of vessels.
08:50.3
And these kinds of vessels, do they have the state-of-the-art electronics and other capabilities?
08:51.3
They have the state-of-the-art communications capability, navigation as well.
08:52.3
And all of these three Coast Guard vessels have helicopter hangar.
08:53.3
So this can actually carry…
08:59.3
So you can do like Mission Impossible movies?
09:01.3
And Tom Cruise movies?
09:04.3
So you can do like Mission Impossible movies?
09:06.3
And Tom Cruise movies?
09:08.3
And Tom Cruise movies?
09:10.3
And Tom Cruise movies?
09:12.3
And Tom Cruise movies?
09:16.3
So you can do like Mission Impossible movies?
09:17.3
And Tom Cruise can come in?
09:19.3
Now, speaking of feeling proud, that's what I felt.
09:22.0
Kasi syempre I've been covering West Philippine Sea for 10, 12 years as a journalist, no?
09:28.4
And I saw massive improvement in terms of our Philippine Coast Guard, in terms of our
09:32.4
navy, why I understand things on the part of China on a completely different level compared
09:39.6
Now, having said that, speaking of pride and speaking of…
09:43.0
of excitement and inspiration,
09:45.7
meron pa rin tayong problema
09:46.7
sa Pilipinas, right?
09:49.3
nahihirapan ako maghanap
09:50.5
sa mga ibang bansa,
09:51.8
ang mga grupo ng tao na,
09:54.6
bilang isang academic and journalist,
09:56.5
bukas ako sa debate, right?
09:59.7
minsan kinikwasyon ko pa
10:00.6
yung mga claims ng Pilipinas.
10:02.3
noong 1970, sa totoo lang,
10:03.9
tayo pa yung mga pinakamalakas.
10:05.2
Medyo nabubuli pa natin
10:06.3
yung mga kapitbahay natin.
10:07.2
Tayo na unang gumawa ng mga...
10:08.8
So, as an academic,
10:10.0
I'm willing to make that argument
10:11.0
kasi objective ako.
10:11.9
Pero para sa akin,
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medyo ibang level na
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pag meron kang mga tao
10:18.7
na sinasabi nila makabayan sila,
10:20.8
not necessarily makabayan block,
10:22.3
I'm just saying makabayan sila,
10:23.6
mahal nila yung bayan nila.
10:25.4
puro mga sinasabi lang nila is,
10:27.6
lahat ng ginagawa natin,
10:29.8
tuta lang tayo ng Amerika,
10:31.1
front lang tayo ng Amerika,
10:32.3
or lahat ng mga ginagawa natin,
10:33.6
tayong nangugulo,
10:34.9
tayong provocateur.
10:40.0
nung panon ng dating presidente,
10:41.9
kasi yung presidente mo mismo,
10:43.4
medyo ganun yung line.
10:44.7
Pero iba na yung presidente natin,
10:46.3
so hindi ko na-entendan.
10:47.1
Bakit yung mga ibang tao,
10:48.8
na tayo ang mali,
10:50.7
or kung hindi tayo mali,
10:52.2
ginagamit lang tayo
10:55.8
Tell me honestly,
10:57.4
how do you feel about this?
11:00.9
I kind of have a sense
11:02.1
of how you could feel,
11:03.0
although I'm not an official.
11:04.7
As a Filipino expert,
11:06.0
I go all around the world
11:06.9
and give a talk, right?
11:07.9
Ang sarap nung feeling.
11:09.4
People come to you
11:12.9
good job, Philippines.
11:14.1
You're standing up.
11:15.1
Yung mga ibang ASEAN,
11:16.0
hindi ko na sasabihin sino.
11:17.6
actually, sa totoo lang,
11:19.1
tama yung ginagawa nyo,
11:20.2
nakakayong gobyerno.
11:21.0
I mean, I'm not gonna say
11:22.8
And then, uuwi ka sa Pilipinas,
11:24.4
or bubuksan mo yung Twitter mo.
11:26.7
five different accounts.
11:27.9
Hindi ko na napag-usapin
11:28.6
yung TikTok ko, di ba?
11:30.7
Eh, sasabihin na,
11:31.6
tuta ka ng Amerika,
11:32.9
they are gonna tag you
11:34.7
tapos babastusin ka,
11:36.3
they'll make cartoons about you.
11:39.7
Tell me honestly,
11:40.6
how do you feel about this?
11:42.1
And what should we do about it
11:45.9
Obviously, kung siguro,
11:46.8
China tayo, Vietnam,
11:47.8
alam ko na yung sagot, di ba?
11:49.1
Pero, demokrasya tayo eh.
11:51.2
Sorry, I'm putting you on the spot.
11:53.3
ito na, real talk na tayo.
11:54.5
I think the first part
11:55.4
of this interview was really
11:57.7
Ito na, mag-real talk na tayo,
11:59.2
Commander Tariella.
12:01.3
how do you feel about this?
12:03.9
or how, you know,
12:04.9
dispiriting this could be?
12:06.3
How do you keep it going?
12:08.9
I mean, what is your inspiration?
12:10.6
That keeps you going
12:11.6
and keeping you strong
12:12.8
and keeping us, David, di ba?
12:14.5
And then, what should we talk about this?
12:16.2
Medyo, nakakaloka to eh, di ba?
12:19.4
Well, una sa lahat, Richard, no?
12:22.6
the transparency strategy,
12:24.7
naniniwala ako na
12:25.7
more Filipinos now
12:26.9
have become more aware
12:28.5
of what's really happening.
12:30.1
Kung meron bang iilan
12:37.3
ang ginagawa natin,
12:40.6
mga tuta tayo ng Amerika.
12:42.8
I mean, you've seen
12:44.1
how people really
12:49.2
Totoo yung sinasabi mo,
12:49.9
may mga caricature pa nga sa akin,
12:52.5
those things na talaga
12:55.3
Ngayon, ang tanong,
12:56.3
how do I respond to this?
12:57.6
And how do I see them?
12:58.7
And how do you cope?
12:59.9
how do you keep it strong
13:01.2
and fresh, you know?
13:09.0
na hindi talaga sila
13:11.3
you can really tell naman
13:12.8
whether this account
13:14.2
is just an ordinary troll.
13:16.6
Ako, iniisip ko na lang
13:17.9
he's just paid to do this.
13:20.0
Kasi wala kang sariling
13:24.0
it makes me feel good
13:26.3
na itong tao na to
13:32.8
foreign direct investment
13:34.6
nga sa pagpapasweldo
13:36.9
Yan ang foreign direct investment.
13:38.6
We are actually helping
13:40.0
our own investment.
13:40.6
Because of these trolls.
13:43.5
So, on the good side of it,
13:46.7
May trabaho si kuya.
13:47.8
O talagang busy ngayon.
13:54.7
Nagpo-post sila sa Facebook.
13:56.7
This should thank me.
14:00.9
I became instrumental
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para magkaroon ng livelihood
14:03.9
ng ating mga kababayang Pilipino.
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Ang nakakasakit sa akin,
