MR. CUNANAN AT ANG ALAMAT NG $500,000.00 NA BAYAD SA PAGCOR
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Ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
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parang nga, ang ginagawa kasi nila daw,
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yung mga tao na nando doon sa pictures na yun,
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nililink sa Pogo.
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Tandaan nyo nung panahon na yun, mga kabatas natin,
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nung blessing, nung bahay na yun,
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itong si Attorney Harry Roque ay, siyempre,
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panahon ni ano yun eh, panahon pa ni ano yun eh, ni Digong eh.
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Tapos si Attorney Harry Roque, alam nyo naman na may posisyon siya sa gobyerno, di ba?
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Kaya nung blessing nung panahon na yun, mga kabatas natin,
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kaya out of courtesy to fellow government officials, mga kabatas natin,
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maraming pumunta na mga politiko doon,
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congressman, yung mayor, yung governors,
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lahat, nag-ibita kasi sila, pumunta sila doon.
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Ngayon, parang ginagamit nung mga ibang kalaban nila sa politiko,
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although hindi pwedeng gamitin nung kalaban sa politiko ng mga taga Baguio yun,
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kasi halos maraming pumunta.
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Pumunta ang pumunta doon, pumunta doon ng mga politiko ng taga Baguio eh.
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Nila pwedeng gamitin laban sa isa't isa yun kasi nandun din sila.
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Dahil meron din, nandun din sila.
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Pero yung iba kasi, ginagamit nila laban doon sa mga, yung mga hindi pumunta,
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tapos gagamitin nila, sinasabi nila may connection daw sa Pogo yun.
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In fairness, mga kabatas natin, blessing nang talaga ng bahay yun.
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At ang pagkakaalam talaga nila, tinanong ko rin,
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this is their honest answer na yun talaga ang alam nila.
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Ngayon, they may be mistaken kasi sinasabing nga ni Harry Roque na hindi niya daw bahay yun.
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Pero magiging bahay niya.
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Pero may interest siya.
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Sandali, bakit walang tunog?
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Let's go, let's do this.
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At ni Atty. Roque, na ang problema dinudulog sa...
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Sabi niya, sa lower house attorney, napaamin siya doon.
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Sa tingin ko, mangyayari, mangyayari din yun, eh.
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Let's go, let's go.
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... sa Pagkor ay, si Mr. Cunanan ay hindi ibinayad sa Pagkor, yung ginolect ang quiz ng...
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Opo, walang yun, no?
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... sa Pagkor ay, si Mr. Cunanan, binimis ka si Leong at ni Atty. Roque,
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na ang problema dinudulog sa Pagkor ay, si Mr. Cunanan,
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ay hindi ibinayad sa Pagkor, yung ginolect ang quiz ng...
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Okay, okay, okay. Ito, ito kasi yung usapan, mga kapatas natin.
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Ginolect ang quiz yun, ni Cunanan.
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Ibabayad dapat yun sa Pagkor.
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Ngayon, mga kapatas natin,
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Kunwari, totoo yung sinasabi ni Harry Roque,
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na tinakbo yung 500,000.
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Saan liable, o kanino liable si Cunanan?
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Ayon sa batas natin, ha?
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Ang madaling sagot dyan, mga kapatas natin,
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liable siya doon sa Lucky South 99.
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Kasi hanggat hindi pa binabayad, no?
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Hanggat hindi pa binabayad yan,
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doon sa Pagkor, hindi pa pera ng Pagkor yan,
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o hindi pa pera ng gobyerno yan.
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So, ibig sabihin, kung meron 500,000 dollars na liability,
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yung Lucky South 99,
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tapos nagpadala sila
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ng isang tao, katulad ni Cunanan, para magbayad,
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tapos hindi niya binayad yun,
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considered pa rin na hindi paid
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yung Lucky South 99.
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Okay? Let's just clear that up.
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500,000 US dollars.
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Sabi ni Buzz Lightyear in action,
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totoo ba nga ang may-ari ng pinakamalaking pogohab?
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Si totoo bang remulyang may-ari ng pinakamalaking pogohab?
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Hindi ko rin alam kung totoo, okay?
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Pero maraming nagpakita nung pogohab doon.
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Pero yung ownership, I'm not sure.
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Pagkor, yung kinolect ang quiz ng Lucky South 99.
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Pulang po 500,000 US dollars.
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Dollars po, 500,000 US dollars.
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500,000 US dollars po.
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Ang totoo po, sabi pa ni Cassandra Leong sa amin noon, ni Atty. Fernandez,
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habang nag-uusap kami,
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meron na pong nagbabayad sa isang land bank branch sa account ng PAGCOR na partial payment.
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Kaya po pag-alis po ni former Sekretary Roque at ni Ms. Cassandra Leong,
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inataasan ko po si Atty. Fernandez.
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So kasi sinasabi ni Cassandra Leong kasi na lawyer ng Lucky South 99 itong si, si ano,
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si remulya tuloy, si Atty. Harry Roque. Pero,
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mga kabatas natin, wala na daw si Cassie Leong eh.
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Pakiverify mo nga kung totoo yung sinasabi nilang may nagbabayad.
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And bumalik po sa akin si Atty. Fernandez,
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totoo pong may partial payment na binayad sa land bank, account po ng PAGCOR,
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na kakahalaga po ng 203,000 US dollars.
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Sino po ang nagbayad ng ganong partial payment?
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Alam niyo po, pwede naman kayo mag-walk-in lang sa land bank,
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basta ibigay niyo lang yung account number ng PAGCOR,
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hindi na po natin makikilala kung sino.
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So may nag-partial payment po, dahil hindi 203,000 dollars.
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Ang totoo po, yung balanse, hiniling po ni Binibining Cassandra Leong na kung maaari pay over time.
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So, nabayaran naman po yung balanse na halos 300,000 po or a little less than 300,000 US dollars.
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Over time po nabayaran yun.
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Kaya po walang naging utang si Lucky South sa amin. Dahil requirement po yun.
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Kung wala pala, bakit nagtakbo ng 500,000?
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Bakit yun ang accusation?
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...pagkakataon din na ma-issuehan muli ng bagong lisensya dahil mag-expire na po eh.
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2020 po na ma-issuehan muli ng ito yun.
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Hinihingi po sila ng pagkakataon din na ma-issuehan muli ng bagong lisensya dahil mag-expire na po eh.
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2020 po nung na-issue nung naka ng administrasyon eh.
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So mag-expire na po.
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Kaya sabi namin, eh hindi ma-pro-proseso yan kung mayroon kayong pagkakautang sa puso.
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Basta po ang malinaw, nung araw na pumunta si Cassie Leong, accompanied by Atty. Roque sa opisina niyo,
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ang nirereklamo nilang dalawa, nilang pareho na problema ay may perang dapat ibinabayad si Mr. Cunanan para sa Lucky South 99 na hindi niya ibinayad sa pagkakataon.
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Pareho silang dalawa ang yun ang sinasabi sa inyo.
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Maliwanag po yun. At ang totoo, tinanong ko po sino po ba si Mr. Cunanan dahil hindi ko naman po siya kakilala.
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Ang sagot po ni Binibining Cassandra Leong, siya po ang authorized representative ng Lucky South 99.
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Nung binerify ko naman po, si Mr. Dennis Cunanan ang talagang nakalistang authorized representative ng Lucky South 99.
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Salamat, Chair Tengo. SP Pro Tem?
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Yun. So anong ginagawa ni, yun nga ang tanong doon, anong ginagawa ni Harry Roque doon kung mayroon naman pala talaga silang representative?
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Thank you, Madam Chair. So wala ka nang hinahawakan na pogo ngayon?
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Wala na po, Your Honors.
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Ano? Umalis ka lang o tinanggal ka ng mga kaliente mo?
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I left, Your Honors.
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Why did you leave?
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Yun nga po, meron na pong bagong guidelines yung PAGCOR which requires the authorized representative to be as liable as the key officers.
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And I'm not any, we're not any part of their operations. We don't know what they're doing after. So it's not, it's not any more tenable, Your Honors, to be part of such work.
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Alright. Going back doon sa testimony ni Chairman Al, according to Cassie Leong, binigay sa iyo yung pera. So you deny it na binigay sa iyo yung pera at hindi mo binayad?
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Yes, Your Honors.
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Yes, Your Honors.
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So naging accountability namin, Your Honors, were properly documented.
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Kasi sabi ni Cassie, Cassandra Ong, binigay doon sa iyo yung pera, pero tinakbong, tinakbong.
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Sinabi rin ni, ano yun, sinabi rin ni Harry Roque yun.
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It's not true, Your Honors.
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It's not true, Your Honors. Everything, everything that were, that were entrusted to us were properly documented, Your Honors.
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How did you know Cassandra Leong? How did you get to know her?
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Your Honors, when they were starting, when they were starting, when they were talking to us, Ms. Han Gao,
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introduced her to me as one of the authorized representatives supposed to be.
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Siya, si Han Gao, yung Charlotte, at saka a certain Shang Ji, yung kanilang chairman.
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Nung hindi makarating yung Shang Ji, yung chairman nila, dahil nasa Singapore at that time masabi nila, ako ang pinalito nila as authorized representative.
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How did you know her? Sino nagpakilala sa iyo?
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Yung Charlotte Sia po, Sir.
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Sino si Charlotte Sia? Yung dalawang, yung porak?
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Hindi, Sir. Sa porak po, tama. Sa porak po siya.
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Na interpreter, na apparently when I saw her sign the documents, she was the designated president at that time when she was signing documents for Lucky South for their service provider contract.
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Hindi kasi nagtataka ko, bakit bigla ka pumasok dito sa huwago industry? Bakit naging masyadong attractive ko dito sa mga huwago industry?
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We were not really attracted, Sir. What happened is, we were looking for an office in Angles at that time because we have a client who wanted us to help them with their cityhood campaign in Central Luzon.
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So maganda pong area, Tagalog.
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Nagpampanga rin po ako. Maganda yung area ng Angles for our operations.
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And then, itong mga to, in ito doon sa amin, na investor nga po doon sa area kung saan kami tumitingin ng office, sa porak.
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At sabi, they're looking for somebody who can help them work on things. So doon na po nagkumpisa yun, Sir.
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Oo, kasi may connections ito eh. Diba? May connections siya. Doon pa lang sa pork barrel, meron na siyang connections eh.
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Okay, during the duration ng ikaw ang consultant nito mga pogo na ito, was there a time na nakapag-negotiate ka, nakapag-bargain ka sa mga, sa PAG o halimbawa?
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No, Sir. I didn't even have any chance to go to the…
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Kasi kailangan ng lisensya ng PAG-COR, am I correct?
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Hindi ka pa, wala ka bang kinakausap na hindi ka PAG-COR?
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OGLD lang po yung kausap.
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Para expedite yung lisensya ng mga pogo?
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Wala ho kaming ganun, Your Honor. Kasi ang kausap lang po namin noon, security guard. Pag may kailangan kaming hingin na documents na nakukuha namin sa baba, sa ground floor.
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Yes, Your Honor. Doon nila iniiwan. Para OGLD lang po yung kausap namin.
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Bakit security guard?
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Hindi, iniiwan nila sa security guard, Your Honor. Kasi may pandemic noon. Bawal pumalik sa mga offices ng PAG-COR. So doon sa security guard sa baba, doon namin nire-receive lahat ng documents. Doon din namin pinapareceive yung mga documents.
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Alright. Aware ka ba sa mga kasong fina-file?
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Kasi may connections na siya eh, di ba?
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Finial against you ng CIDG ng PAOC?
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What is the status of the cases?
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We're waiting. We just received the complaint, Your Honor. And we're working on our affidavit on it.
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Why do you think that they filed the cases against you?
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Actually, Your Honor, there's no allegation there. It was just mentioned that I was an authorized representative.
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Mr. Chair, wala bang pending na kaso against Mr. Cunanan? Kasi alam ko meron din dating ban. Hindi siya makaalis ng bansa. So resolved na ba iyon?
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They're still ongoing, Madam Sen.
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So are you helping in a capacity as a lawyer, as a liaison to all of these companies? Are you a lawyer, sir?
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So ano? Ba't opisina mo ang nilapitan?
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Hindi nilapitan, Your Honor. Nagkatagpo kami doon sa lugar kung saan kami naghahanap ng office.
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Tapos na doon din sila. Doon sila.
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Ano nga, serendipity. Serendipity yan.
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So is your company a realty company? Is it a consulting company?
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Consulting company, Your Honor.
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Consulting po. Consulting company.
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It seems like you tend to attract certain mindset and group of individuals. Anyway, thank you.
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Thank you, Madam Senator Grace. Mr. Cunanan, are you the same Dennis Cunanan who was a former TLRC Director General?
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You have been sentenced by the Sandigan Bayan for...
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Craft to 10 to 18 years for malversation?
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We have, Your Honor, which is still pending in the Supreme Court right now, but we have more acquittals that came out, Your Honor.
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We have more acquittals, Your Honor.
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You were acquitted? Diba you were convicted?
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Meron pong conviction na may acquittal. May nine acquittals po, Your Honor.
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Kus, you know, I cannot forget you. Alam mo bakit?
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Jury, napanood na natin yan, mga kapatid.
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Or when I was my second term as senator, I was already embattled.
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I attended a Blue Ribbon Committee hearing and you were present there. I remember. Very vividly.
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And you told that committee, I'm sorry, this is off topic already. Inanong ko lang yung kredibilidad nitong tawag ito.
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At sinabi mo, tinawagan kita. And I...
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Naalala mo yun? Naalala mo yung sinabi mo? Naalala mo?
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If I can have your voice. Napaka sinungaling mo. I'm sorry for bringing this up, Madam Chair.
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Tinatest ko lang yung kredibilidad nitong tawag ito eh.
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It's alright, SB Pro Temp. Salamat po.
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We really want to get to the bottom of your involvement in this, Mr. Cunanan, itong usapin ng POGOS.
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Noong 2020, nabanggit ang pangalan niyo bilang authorized representative nga ng Hongsheng Gaming Corporation
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in a letter to PAG Corp. dated September 10, 2020, and as authorized representative of Lucky South 99
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in another letter to PAG Corp. dated October 20, 2020. So kayo po actually ang pinakamalinaw na link sa dalawang kumpanyang ito.
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So, simula po tayo sa Hongsheng. Aside from what you've already told the committee.
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Alam nyo, ito bang si ano? Ito bang si Cunanan dito? Can you parang brand him, yung trabaho niya, as a fixer?
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Diba? Parang fixer yung trabaho niya eh. Diba?
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Ah, paano po kayo na-involved sa Hongsheng? And who exactly po ang na-involved?
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Paano po kayo na-involved sa Hongsheng? And who exactly po ang na-involved?
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Paano po kayo na-involved sa Hongsheng? And who exactly po ang na-involved?
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And who exactly po ang nag-recruit sa inyo?
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Madam Chair, sometime August of 2020, we got a call from a certain Vivi Chen.
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Nag-request po siya ako if they can meet up with us.
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And sabi ko, for what? They said they wanted us to help them with something. So we did.
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We met them in Clark, in a restaurant in Clark. And then, they started to talk to us about an application for license.
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And we asked them who introduced us to them and where did they get my number.
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They said they got it from a friend here on the side of рickyанные.
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And yun yun eh mga kabatas natin. Now it's already late. So, pakakawalan ko na rin kayo.
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Tuluwin natin yan sa susunod mga kabatas natin. Interested din ako dito kay Kunanan eh kung bakit ganyan siya kalakas eh no?
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Maraming salamat, matulog po tayo ng maimbeng dahil alam natin na yung natutulog na maimbeng nag-aayos eh sabay ni Ricol.
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Salamat din Ricol, big time fixer. Maraming salamat matulog po tayo ng maimbeng dahil alam natin na yung natutulog na maimbeng nag-aayos eh sabay niya Ricol.
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punta ng mahimbing
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na natutulog ng mahimbing
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siya yung laging panalo
