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would it be safe to presume itong
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listahan na ito ay galing sa
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cidg Honestly in our
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Uh deep you know in our deep research as
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to how this list came about Uh it is PNP
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cidg region 11 who came up with this
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list your honor and at that point in
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Time Who was the head of region 11
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cidg if I not mistaken It was
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a commissioner NAPOLCOM Leonardo your
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you sinabi mo kanina ah when one of my
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colleagues was asking you about the list
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sinabi ninyo na yyung listahan e dinala
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po sa inyo would That be
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correct what we gathered your honor was
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meeting Yes Sir there was a meeting
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Our Chief the director of Intelligence
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service then attended that meeting and
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copy this is the list number one that we
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are mentioning in our presentation and
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did I Hear You Right naung listahan na
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ibinabalik niyo after
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checking Yes honor that was the story
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that we got from Bakit kailangan ibalik
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listahan na binigay inyo
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I think it was to validate your honor
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Uh if the names therein were really
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personalities in the so DJ kayo ang
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validating agency nung listahan ng c
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Crame would That be correct Uh your
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honor we were just part of
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the agencies that we validating the list
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I would presume that the AFP and the PNP
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would also be checking on the list your
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Hon Tapos pag binalik niyo binabalik sa
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inyo may dagdag na pangalan that was the
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observation your honor Thank you
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er Yes Sir you're now the ncrp commander
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but you were formerly the Uh head of the
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directorate for personnel and records
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management you're correct Mr ch Yes
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ang policy when you transfer personnel
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from region to region the Commanders are
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supposed to be Uh asked whether they
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want the transfer or not Uh the our
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policy states that you have to get the
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accommodation to the gaining unit and
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you have to get an availability for
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transfer from your current unit if you
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satisfy those requirements then the
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order can be issued by the directorate
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for person record management Mr ch and
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it is it is only the officer Who is
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transferred hindi yung lamsam na
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nililipat mo ba kasi pag Nagdala ka ng
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tao mo na lima it is Fr upon by
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Uh when I was the Director for personal
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records management Mr ch we discourage
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yung tinatawag na parang hakot Mr ch
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that is why it's the pan Yes sir Yes
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that's right now in the case of
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Uh Uh Colonel patay He was transferred
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from Davao del North if i'm correct
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patay Yes Mr chair you were transferred
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to ncrpo isang team po ba Yes Mr ch and
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then it is by order of the chief and
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Philippine National Police Ah yes Mr
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chair yes ang tawag niyo Don shoot out
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order walang dinaanan
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basta inimplement ng dprm would That be
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correct ' ba general erya ganon ah Mr
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Uh there are cases that we call shoot
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Order and Uh normally it is upon
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guidance of Uh for third level normally
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It's a pandy guidance of the cpnp that
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said siel patay was transferred from
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Davao Norte together with his team to
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ncrpo and eventually to be assigned
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patay Yes Mr ch yes and then the same is
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with Marcos in so far as c is concerned
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was brought assigned to region 11 cidg
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team So kung titingnan mo yung mga
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movements talagang may
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ba There's a plan na ganon ang
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mangyayari And maybe that is the reason
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siel pitalo naassign sa Laguna naassign
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can you provide this committee the areas
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where extra judicial killings involving
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drug or drug related killings were
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country Pwede po ba kayong magbigay sa
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amin dito sa committee na ito yung mga
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probinsya mga lugar kung saan maraming
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killings your honor we can do that but
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respectfully I would like to seek the
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252 the data on the persons who died
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during anti-drug operations totaling to
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6252 Why because of this
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only 173 was initiated by the pide and
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one was initiated by NBI 6085 is
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attributed to the PNP honor and out of
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the 6,000 plus Ah ilan po yung Ilan po
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yyung High value targets ilan yung users
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lang at saka ilan yung pushers for want
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operations your honor I we do not have
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that Uh Data with us
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we can we can try to We will try to
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Uh the victims as to how they were
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categorized Thank you
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garma Meron po kayong affiliate at saka
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binigay Pero tama po ung sabi
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kayo h po ba Yes you're Yes your h now
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how would you know this things kung wala
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um nung pong umpisa po na inaayos po ni
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cidg yung mga ganyan po eh since friends
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ko rin naman sila and ah Parang nalaman
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ni sir Leonardo din na kaya siya ang
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na-mention dahil po nagtanong sa akin si
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Presidente nagkukwento po siya and pag
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nandun po ako sa opisina nakikita ko
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yung movement So lahat ng impormasyon mo
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tungkol dito sa war on drugs na na
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nakalagay dito yung sa iyong affidavit
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at saka dito sa diagram na ibinigay mo
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Galing po lahat ito kay kel Leonardo in
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your meetings with him Ah yes your honor
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and Yes po and yung experience din nila
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sa ground as na ah ah kasi ah experience
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nila sa ground So In other words sa
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lahat ng bagay hindi po kayo kasama pero
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Karamihan sa detalye ng operation ng war
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on drugs alam po ninyo and yet you say
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hindi ka kasama sa
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sistema Alam ko po Mr chair kasi po ah
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Kami po din sa ground nakakahalubilo ko
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yung R2 namin yung mga operatiba yan po
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pinagkukwentuhan and there was a
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briefing ah na na pagkausap ko siya si
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sir leonado nakukwento niya Level saano
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ba level 1 na yan hindi day level 1 ano
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lang yan ordinary nag-explain siya I
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cannot recall na lang po yung specific
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amounts po sa lahat okay nag-explain po
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siya sa akin on that day you said that
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you were called by the President dalawa
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lang kayong nagusap Yes your
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tapos hindi mo inaamin dito sa amin sa
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previous hearing na hindi ka malakas kay
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don't Hindi ko alam kung
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malakas yeah I think so Mr chair na
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ngayon inamin mo na malakas ka sa kanya
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because I can see from the scheme of
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things tatatlo lang naman yung kwan eh
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official naman malakas n sa na level na
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mataas malakas kay presidente ikaw si
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kel Leonardo at saka si senator Bato de
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la Rosa All The Other officers PNP
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officers assign in Davao eh nasa ilalim
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Tama kasi Madam garma ah all designs are
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there na malakas ka kay former President
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digong kasi sa isang ceremony sa
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malacanyang where generals of the Bureau
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of jail Management and penology bureau
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of fire protection and the Philippine
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National Police naka-white Duck silang
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e at ikaw lang ang Colonel lieutenant
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Colonel na mapromote sa full Colonel in
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attire Yes po and the President gave you
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special attention and yet you are very
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brave and blant to say na hindi ka
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malakas kay former President Duterte I
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would have cited you in contempt then
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lying pero now that you are cooperating
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ngayon during Yes Mr chair I have mabuti
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inaamin mo ngayon in so far as the
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question of the honorable Fernandez is
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concerned whether you have romantic
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times the President I leave that to the
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imagination of the honorable Fernandez
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hindi na ako magtatanong
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ah kasi kung magtatanong ako baka Umamin
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ka eh kaya ayaw ko naon sa totoo
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lang baka Umamin ka Anyway
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Ah yung binanggit mo na pangalan Romel
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bat Rodel serbo Michel
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Palma They were all members of
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cidg Yes your honor Yes Mr Chair and how
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did you come to know them I was assigned
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25 to 2008 and how did you know their
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specific assignments vis Colonel
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Leonardo ah sinasabi po nila eh Sino
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nagsasabi Sila po sir ah
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kung kung nag tapok nag ipon-ipon sir
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okay and sa mag-observe mo naman sa
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movement o paki encode mo' ganon
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Makikita mo ah Okay so pag pulis po
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chismoso chismosa po tayo so Nagtatanong
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po tayo Mr Cher kaya ako nagtataka Madam
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garma Alam mo ang
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sistema yung general at saka flow ng
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communications at saka flow ng monetary
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considerations pero hindi kakasama sa
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sistema Hindi ako makapaniwala doon
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Madam now itong si bakat serbo and Palma
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were already dismissed I think this year
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ch sa dami ng kaso nila They were
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administratively because of the
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administrative cases filed against them
14:04.4
would That be correct Yes Mr chair Yes
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diagram Kilala mo ba lahat yung mga tao
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nandito dito sa ginawa mo Opo Mr chair
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except for alias Ming
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Sir I was really trying to recall her
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first name talaga
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honest first name other words you knew
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her last name Espino or spina I wasn't
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sure pina research ko rin po i kagabi
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hindi ako nabigyan ng sagot po That's
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why it's a public knowledge Nam when you
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say Ming how did you come to know that
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the money came from his from her office
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going to a certain Mr Pedro
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par Sinabi po ni Pedro sir Yun pong
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sinabi ko na kumakamot siya ng ulo Sabi
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ko bakit sagot nio sa akin problema ako
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ma'am kasi marami ng per pumapasok sa
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account ko nasisita na ako O saan galing
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kay instruction kuning pinapadala ni
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Ming yun po ang sinabi niya sa akin po
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questioned former commissioner Leonardo
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itong pesto niya dito
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sa sa diagram na ginawa nyo he has
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always denied that whenever we have
15:45.5
question and now here you are stating na
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paym Now who is telling the truth
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between you and Colonel
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Leonardo I am telling the truth your
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honor you saying the truth na siya
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talaga ang pay Master Yes po pero hindi
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mo alam na ang codename niya ay eagle n
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tinanong ka niwan ni honorable rods
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guz hindi po ako kasi cod ang ginagamit
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nung talagang directly involve po hindi
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po kasi ako na kay Hindi ko alam na po
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Well alam mo yung alam mo yung mga
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sistema eh Ako nga wala ako sa sistema e
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alam ko yung coden na yun
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e ' ba Yes po i honestly speaking I
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didn't know po na eagle siya ang code
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Name po niya alam mo Madam garma
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ah sabi ni ito I learned this from our
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Chairman si Chairman Ace barbers Nabasa
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na yung paa mo Maligo ka
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na ang sabi ni Chairman barbers ang Ibig
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niyang sabihin ah may alam na kami
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Nagsabi ka na ng konti buos Ibuhos mo na
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Maligo ka na ng todo sabihin mo na ang
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ah as far as this representation is
17:15.3
concerned hindi mo pa sinasabi
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lahat yun po sa eagle talaga po ay
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I cannot recall ay hindi ko po alam Na
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Siya yung eagle ay kasi po eagle code
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ang ginagamit nung mga nasa ground but
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don't I don't use eagle I don't know
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kung sinong eagle nga po eh now Sir you
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have also stated in your affidavit na
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yung mga ibang opisyal Hindi naman lahat
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na nakaka deliver y ang terminology mo
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ay nabibigyan ng reward Niel
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Leonardo Do you still cling to that
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yours ang sinasabi ko po Mr chair Ah
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hindi po directly binibigay sometimes
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may naassign na doon idadaan tapos siya
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mag-distribute may ganong setup po na
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nangyayari ah ibig mo sabihin may
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inassign siel Leonardo na tao para
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magbigay Yun ba ang ibig sabihin
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Hindi ko po alam kung siya nag-assign or
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may nag-volunteer I don't know but what
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I am aware po is merong doon
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ibibigay tapos yung officer na yun ang
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mag magbibigay doon sa sa chief of
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police or whoever is yung may trabaho
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meron pong sistema din po na rekta sa
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kanya tapos erek din na ibigay so It
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depends po kung ano yung naging
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arrangement sa kanya kung yun po yung
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kinal Director ang npl or nagdeliver
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paano ang paraan para siya nabibigyan na
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um pwedeng diretso yung PD sa kanya or
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may inassign po yung PD to communicate d
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po sa tao niya Pwede pong ganon Depende
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po sa arrangement na gagawin po
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nila hindi dadaan sa Regional director
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yung PD pwede rin po yun ah Mr Cher
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hindi Tinatanong kita yung hindi yung
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pwede ang gusto kong sagot eh kasi ah
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Yun nga yung sinabi ko nabasa na nga
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yung buong paa mo ayaw mo pang maligo eh
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um May nangyayaring May ganun pong
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pangyayari po Pwede po Depende po sa
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naging arrangement po ng officer sa
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ground sa kanya kasi ang arrangement is
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siya po ang nagde-decide eh would it be
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correct ah Madam garma na si si si
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Colonel Leonardo was in charge basically
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sa mga na-assign na mga magde-deliver sa
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cidg at si senator Bato de Rosa would be
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in charge doon sa special operations
20:19.4
group ng mga Regional and Uh Uh
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offices would I be correct
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Hindi po eh Ang alam ko po kay Leonardo
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lahat po diretso Kanino kay Sir Leonardo
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po lahat diretso diretso Yes yung mga
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po ang pag Leonard lahat direto Opo or
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meron p na dedicate na officer na doon
20:53.3
ipadaan yung pera tapos siya
20:55.5
mag-distribute and you stand by that
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honor Yes Mr chair Yes
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patay Yes Mr chair ba Ikaw ba ay nak
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kobra Wala po Mr ch sa lang po ako at
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saka sa pads Mr chair kasi marami po
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kang Marami pong personel sa season 6
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umabot ng mula 300 hanggang 600 so
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1,390 po yung ano namin
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Wala po akong ano do
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ano wala po akong natatanggap
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do doon sa mga napatay Dito sa Quezon
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City Wala po So what you're trying to
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tell us is Madam garma is the lying
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Hindi ko po alam yung Gan Mr ch mga
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schemes na Gan kasi po Mr
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ch po ako nas ng Davao City Mr
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ch hindi porket hindi ka naassign sa
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Davao City hindi mo alam Iyung scheme na
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ba Bakit ako hindi ko hindi ako
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na-assign sa sa Davao pero alam ko na
22:16.3
ngayon no following your logic kel patay
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Mr Cher ngayon ko lang rin narinig yung
22:24.2
mga ganyan na ano na nag-confirm si
22:31.2
garma isang isang conclusion lang yung
22:35.8
nangyari bael pitalo nabukulan
22:50.8
parehas Patay nabukulan ka
22:56.3
rin How about you galdo nabukulan ka
23:03.9
rin h ko rin alam yung schem na e Kasi
23:08.4
kumakalat na sa inyong sa inyong chat
23:11.4
group eh Hwag niyong aminin na kwan eh
23:19.4
reward you know why bakit ganon kasi
23:24.0
yung pagtatrabaho ninyo it's no longer
23:27.2
service for the country
23:30.3
and it is service for
23:34.2
profit yun ang nangyari and that would
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be the impression that we have in so far
23:40.0
as this committee is
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concerned you were not doing your job
23:44.6
just because you love your job or you
23:48.3
country you were doing that job because
23:56.3
reward ba kaya kumakalat sa inyong chat
24:08.9
aminin Pero mas naniniwala na ako ngayon
24:13.2
kaya sa inyo kay madam garma kasi at
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stake na yung buhay niya Eh kayo
24:23.2
kayo nakauniporme may baril sa tagiliran
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Madam garma Tama yung sabi niya
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siya Marami pong salamat Mr ch
